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  1. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]

    Carrying firearms in public is too I think, is it not? Do you think this could in some way be related to that your country's murder rate per 100 000 people per year is something like 5, and my country's is only 0,9? A murder rate of 5 would mean that around 16 000 people are murdered in your country, every year.


    Murder rate in America is mostely based on where you live. I live in a town where at least half the residents own one or more guns, and we've had maybe two murders in the last ten years, neither of which involved a gun.

    By comparison, Chicago, possibly the most anti-gun city in America has one of the worst murder rates.
  2. It's amazing what you have to believe to believe in gun control...
    That guns are the real cause of crime, but we will blame and jail the owner of said gun for the crime, even if the owner wasn't the person involved.

    That a mugger will kill you in the half-second it takes to draw from the holster, but won't harm you while you dial 911 on your cell phone, talk to the dispatcher and wait half an hour for the cops to arrive.

    That gun control works, which is why there are no illegal weapons in Northern Ireland or Beirut.

    That the Second Amendment only applies to flintlocks, just as the First Amendment only applies to quills and lead type.

    That the proper response to an attack is to call the police, but only unarmed police, because "Violence never settles anything."

    That it's wrong to make snide, sexist comments about women, unless the comments are about women who own guns.

    That a gun with an 11 round magazine is dangerous, but a gun with fifteen 10 round magazines is much safer.

    That a hijacker could easily take a gun away from a pilot, but the hundreds of passengers aboard would then be unable to take the gun away from the hijacker.

    That if there'd been a gun aboard American Airlines Flight 11, someone could have been hurt.

    That rapists prefer to attack armed women so they can take the guns and use them against the victims.

    That 1 firearm owner in 10,000 will commit an act of violence in his or her lifetime, and this is far more frightening than the 25% of drivers who will cause a serious or fatal accident.

    That you should rely on police in lieu of your gun, just as you should rely on a dentist in lieu of your toothbrush.

    That car keys, umbrellas and hairspray are good tools for self-defense, despite the fact that police continue to carry guns.

    That Washington DC's low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, but Arlington, Virginia's high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is attributable to the lack of gun control.

    That the depressed and emotionally disturbed should not be allowed to own guns that shoot bullets with 250 ft-lbs of energy, but should be allowed to own 4000 lb cars with 1,136,000 ft-lbs of energy (at 65 mph).

    That "assault weapons" are "very powerful" but big game hunters oddly prefer .30-06s and .375 H&Hs.

    That we should outlaw bullet proof vests so criminals can't use them, and private citizens should be then proud to be killed in the crossfire, knowing they are doing their part for society.

    That among the hundreds of documented cases against anti-gun freaks we note that: the press secretary of Handgun Control was arrested in DC for discharging an illegal handgun, a ranking regional officer of the Million Moron March was convicted of felony assault, and other Million Morons in Colorado have been arrested for attacking firearm dealers and activists, but "gun nuts" are "obsessed with violence."

    That NASA, the military, physiologists, anatomists and trainers all agree and Olympic scores confirm that men on average have tremendously more upper body strength than women, but women should try to defend themselves with martial arts and not a gun.

    That it's terrible when police officers plant weapons on a suspect to enable them to make an arrest, but we should have tougher laws against weapons and trust the police not to abuse them in this way.

    That police arriving at 80mph are a better way to stop criminals than bullets arriving at 800mph.

    That people buy guns as "substitute penises," because they know that only people with small penises ever get attacked by criminals.

    That Hitler and Stalin didn't disarm citizens, only Jews, Gypsies, gays, unionists and other "undesirables." (Yes, a liberal member of the MMM actually said this in the Washington Post.)

    That to properly understand Nazi gun control, one must consider the "legitimate fears" they had of the Jewish population. (This was another self-proclaimed liberal. I'm beginning to wonder.)

    That families with children should not be allowed to own guns for safety reasons, just as they aren't allowed to own dogs, power tools, or toxic chemicals.

    That it's wrong to destroy someone's life over an administrative crime by jailing them and impoverishing their family, unless that crime is to own a gun.

    That a law that allows someone to keep doing "X" that has been legal for years, in the face of another, badly written law that says they can't do "Y", is a "loophole."

    That it's wrong to politicize that the World Trade Center attackers didn't need guns to hijack a plane, but okay to politicize that the Columbine killers bought guns?illegally.

    That when someone dies because they couldn't get a drug the government won't approve, it's tragic, but when someone dies because they couldn't defend themselves with a gun the government won't approve, that's just life.

    That a criminal is somehow more of a threat to a cop than to a regular person, so police need guns and regular citizens don't.

    That the "Reasonable" uses for guns are hunting and target shooting, but not self-defense. In other words, it's acceptable to use them as toys but not as lifesaving devices.

    That .50 caliber rifles are both "very rare" and "selling like hotcakes."

    That the fact that .50 caliber rifles are very rare justifies banning them, just as the rarity of Lamborghinis and other high-performance cars justifies banning them.

    That one has the moral obligation to make a citizen's arrest when one sees a felony in progress, and that it should be accomplished by yelling at the perpetrator, "Stop! Or I'll yell 'stop' again!" rather than by drawing a weapon.

    That intelligent people should support gun control because they realize they are too stupid to be trusted with guns.
  3. Today, Croatia and EU finished negotiations about Croatia becoming a member of EU.

    In the middle of 2013. we will be member of EU and I'm not sure whether I should be excited or worried...
  4. Well, I can just say that your country has one of the highest murder rates in the developed world, and the highest amount of gun crimes committed in the developed world.
  5. Originally posted by Yogi:Today, Croatia and EU finished negotiations about Croatia becoming a member of EU.

    In the middle of 2013. we will be member of EU and I'm not sure whether I should be excited or worried...


    I am all for it, all other european countries should join. But the EU should be a economical union only. No need for you croatians to decide what we have to do and vice versa
  6. Originally posted by Risto:[..]

    I am all for it, all other european countries should join. But the EU should be a economical union only. No need for you croatians to decide what we have to do and vice versa


    I don't know, I'm very skeptical. Just look at Greece or Spain.

  7. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:Well, I can just say that your country has one of the highest murder rates in the developed world, and the highest amount of gun crimes committed in the developed world.


    Just saying gun control does not work.


  8. I think those examples are countrys living beyond their means more than anythink related directly to EU policies. I've done some research into Poland joining the EU and when looking at Foreign Direct Investment, GDP and unemployment, there is a sharpe improvement after they joined and they faired ok during the recession. It all seems to be down to balancing the books in terms of managing your own social policies.
  9. If you want to play statistic, explain Swedens suicide rate.


  10. Given that WHO statistics suggest its suicide rate is around 18 per 100,000 people, the same as USA, Denmark, Germany, Luxembough and Portugal, theres not really alot to explain.
  11. Originally posted by Hans23:[..]

    Given that WHO statistics suggest its suicide rate is around 18 per 100,000 people, the same as USA, Denmark, Germany, Luxembough and Portugal, theres not really alot to explain.


    Could have sworn it was higher than that.


  12. Apparently it was a myth cause by a misinformed president Eisenhower during a speech in the 1950's
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