1. i saw them recently as i'd always wanted to hear the sweet child o mine riff live, i thought they were atrocious. axl never completet 1 song without leaving the stage and they were over an hour late coming on. i left 2/3 of the way through and would not recommend anyone to waste their money on them. harsh but my opinion.
  2. I saw them in 1991 and 1992 - awesome.

    I saw them in 2002 - great to see "them" again.

    I saw them in 2006 - worst concert ever!!!

    They came to my part of the world in 2010 - did not attend.

  3. the well known hitler video .. this time on Scott Weiland/Velvet Revolver reunion

  4. I thought this might have been about Hitler being upset about a VR reunion decreasing the chance of a GNR reunion.

    I didn't realize that STP had such a devote following that a fan would create this about them.
  5. They were set to overtake Pearl Jam in popularity before they imploded, also due to PJ self imposed hiatus. I'm sure plenty of early fans stuck to them. They also seemed to appeal to people for whom true Grunge (AIC, Soundgarden,etc) was a bit too gruffy.

    I was always too much of a PJ and AIC fan, to get interested, but in terms of technical ability and interesting songwriting they sure had their moments. Vocally I thought Weiland's contributions to Velvet Revolver were exactly what their songs needed, but in direct comparisons to GnR a lot was missing. Plus I always thought it was strange for a band -after dealing with Axl- to go and find the biggest walking disaster and hire him as your singer.

    Just compare these, which do make some sense, even if they didn't last forever:
    Van Halen+Sammy Hagar
    RATM+Cornell =Audioslave
    Sabbath +Dio

    BTW as many in this thread, I was fortunate enough to see GnR in their prime (Sound Garden and Faith no More supporting !) and for me it ended there. Spaghetti Incident was hit and miss, and a clear indication they had lost whatever it was that made them write epic songs. It was the combination of Axl's theatrics (Queen and Elton John influenced), mixed with the punk/rock/metal interests of the other songwriters (Izzy, Slash) as well as Duff's poppy approach, which made the band so eclectic. At times they could be Led Zep, Stones, Deep Purple and Sabbath rolled into one, without sounding retro. None of that tension is present on Spaghetti, none on Slash's or Izzy's solo work and none on VR.

    I do own Chinese Democracy, it's not a bad record at all, it has its moments. But it's not GnR. It's Axl's all stars. He should've named the band triple AAA, guartanteed to be in the first bin at the store, or first page in online sales. But under the GnR moniker, he just appears to have one thing in mind: cashing in on the name.
  6. Just picked up Appetite for Destruction on vinyl. Welcome to the Jungle sounds like it came from the heavens, it's absoutely sublime. I just love this album, it's superb. One of the best albums of all time, for sure.
  7. They're doing a 4 or 5 date club tour in the States. One stop is in Chicago, at the House of Blues...very small venue, easy to get a rail spot if you're early because most people spend the pre-show at the bar in the back. Tickets were a whopping $128 face value, and it was 21+ so I couldn't go anyway. Would have given it a shot for 50 or under.
  8. ^ If hearing Estranged is worth it, then it'll be worth it. That's the other problem people were having with the age restrictions. That would suck.

    Some interesting stuff come up lately - first, a message in the unreleased Chinese Democracy CD booklet - not the fucked-up one.


    Freedom N' Fear: The Future of China and Western Society

    What if you lived in constant fear... knowing that you could be arrested at any time without cause; without warning; thrown in prison; tried and convicted; sentenced with virtually no chance for appeal or reprieve; even executed without representation by a jury or family?

    What if you were informed by the government that you and your family were allowed to visit your loved one in prison, but before you were allowed to do so, you were suddenly informed that without notice the State had them executed?

    What if the degree of force brought against much less than minor misdemeanors - or outright innocence - was as extreme as for the strongest offenses and nearly a part of your every existing minute? What if you knew that a friend or a family member, a loved one, could be ripped from your life instantly with little or no recourse?

    What if nearly everyone and anyone could literally be a government informant for information regarding remedial discussions in areas of human rights; Buddhism, Tibet, the Dali Lama, different systems of government, religion or spirituality or conversing about and with anything other than disdain for the way of life, government and commerce in western society? If you were born into such a predicament and circumstance, what would you do?

    What if you felt so helpless and afraid that you were compelled to sell your own child you love because you cannot afford the financial penalty and other consequences due to China's 'one-child' rule?

    What if your contact with the world outside your country was controlled by your government to the degree that you had no real awareness of even basic global current events? What if you lived in a country where the discussion of a word associated with the name of your country, such as "democracy," in any manner but disdain could bring severe consequences, what would you do?

    In my opinion, on some level what obviously is an understatement, is that the true core of a multifaceted perception, and the reality of life for an entire country with the largest population in the world - and my particular focus - is that you would suffer... daily. Unless your mind and/or education could maneuver through the minefield of communist law enforcement and government bureaucracy, where the risk is so real and psychologically devastating that living in obvious fear and denial are nearly positive forms of action, reaction, and daily survival or protection for yourself and loved ones... You would see suffering and you may even choose to simply see suffering as a means of survival.

    I have no disrespect for the People of The Republic of China whatsoever. In fact, for reasons I can't explain, I have a deeply rooted and firm respect, compassion and love for the Chinese people.

    Our song, "Chinese Democracy," in its irreverance, is for positive purposes and communication with all segments of society; music fans (Guns N' Roses fans in particular) and, especially, the western media, to open a dialogue in areas not necessarily focused on both current events and global social responsibilities.

    When I was fortunate enough to visit both Hong Kong and Mainland China, I experienced different levels of fear at all times in relation to the particular area I visited. I did not experience the fear in the sense of having feared for myself, I witnessed it in others everywhere around me, and kept my demeanor calm, observant and extremely polite. What I felt was emotional heartbreak. I've never witnessed so many individuals going about their lives in such a degree of visible fear, especially the average citizen in the spectrum of social, economic or social position. The military were nearby in some form or another, from one lone sentry to marching drill teams. It was not like a movie as it was much more exreme in the sense that this was real. I did not ask or talk about any of these issues with anyone in public.

    The use of the two words "Chinese" and "Democracy" was intentional, though perhaps not in the way many may think. I do not purport to know what system of government is best for the people of China. I feel that the prejudice and closed mindedness of at least many outspoken Guns N' Roses fans seems to warrnat an awareness of the realities of a constantly evolving and ever growing world where China continues to play an ever increasing role.

    China, whether anyone likes it or not, will become more and more a part of our daily lives and an integral force to the future of our planet. To that, without acquainting ourselves to severe realities of China as a super power, with all she has to offer and brings both to the future and into our lives, this continuing transition will be less than pleasant and can go in diverse directions most would feel are either inhibiting, unacceptable or unconscionable. Yet, economics and government position could force us into accepting these conditions, as is the case now.

    There is no way I can touch on all the issues important to such a subject here. Nor do I claim to be an authority or even knowledgeable of all the facts of China. What I do claim, as an ibhabitant of our world, that through my own eyes I have perceived a deep level of pain not evident in the average citizen in western society that is directly related to how the people in China are governed. Why would a government want their people to be under such a level of fear, stress and emotional bondage?

    I do not entertain delusions that change will happen overnight. What I do know is that whether anyone likes it or not, China is coming and she brings an oppressive force with her beyond anything we have experienced in our daily lives and until we familiarize ourselves, it will be increasingly difficult for many. Tensions may prove much more taxing than need be and have many unsatisfactory conclusions.

    Basic human rights are at the forefront of these concerns, not just for China but for the planet. The obligation to offer and maintain these rights for ourselves and all citizens of this planet is a responsibility shared by all. The request and plea is for the government of China to recognize that her people love her and give all that they must to see her survive. China can prosper, grow and thrive without the unnecessary level of fear instilled by the government and the intolerable degree of oppression, social and basic human rights abuse exercised by those in power.

    Religious freedoms, those chosen by the people and not the government, and the recognition and respect of cultures and religions of others is imperative to both the health of the nation and the planet as a whole. Those who rule with fear in my opinion have a deeper and greater fear that rules them from inside (which must be addressed, diminished and steered in alternate directions), than those that form the basis for governing people who willingly seek to follow, fight for and love their country.

    Please forgive me if I've said too much or you feel this is not my place or my business. As an inhabitant of our planet, I respectfully disagree as in my opinion this is our obligation to each other.

    These are merely a few thoughts out of many to keep in mind as we move forward in this century. Thank you for taking the time to read some of mine.

    All the best and God Bless,
    Sincerely, Axl Rose




    And the tour poster for the few club shows - not nearly as good as the actual tour posters for 2010 / 2011:



    Love the advertisement. Bit overdue I think. As for the hall of fame, I'd love to see the old band there. Not the very original ('cos that's impossible) but if anyone's on drums, no way Matt Sorum...put Steven Adler on there. Axl in some recent interviews seemed a little open to the idea, so who knows.
  9. That's because there are still 8,000 copies at every music store on Earth. Best Buy had a promotion where you got it for a dollar not that long ago, I believe.
  10. I wondered that. On the GnR forums, people were having trouble finding the album. Given it didn't sell so well - you'd think there'd be copies everywhere.

    As there is, you've said. Maybe what they should do is re-release the album along with a live DVD / CD and bonus track. Like Oh My God.
  11. Could have given away copies with ticket purchases for what they were charging.
  12. You'd have thought, given those prices. The price I paid, they could have easily given away two copies of the album.