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  1. Great album, more consistent than other recent efforts, but the mix is so obstructive. It needs more life. A good example is Get on Your Boots, it sounds so much better live (as did Elevation). It's music from a computer, not a band. The drums are buried, the guitars are way compressed and the bass, well! This albums seems to be made for the iPod. I find myself constantly fiddling with the EQ. I do like the album but the mix nearly spoils it... too woolly.
  2. Originally posted by RustyBullet:Great album, more consistent than other recent efforts, but the mix is so obstructive. It needs more life. A good example is Get on Your Boots, it sounds so much better live (as did Elevation). It's music from a computer, not a band. The drums are buried, the guitars are way compressed and the bass, well! This albums seems to be made for the iPod. I find myself constantly fiddling with the EQ. I do like the album but the mix nearly spoils it... too woolly.


    The tour isn't too far away.
  3. Originally posted by RustyBullet:Great album, more consistent than other recent efforts, but the mix is so obstructive. It needs more life. A good example is Get on Your Boots, it sounds so much better live (as did Elevation). It's music from a computer, not a band. The drums are buried, the guitars are way compressed and the bass, well! This albums seems to be made for the iPod. I find myself constantly fiddling with the EQ. I do like the album but the mix nearly spoils it... too woolly.


    I can get that from eno's work, but I prefer the feel of his works over a clean sound.


  4. Haven't most albums been made for portable devices since whenever they were introduced?


  6. Albums need to be mastered like they were back in the 70s - 80s. Now the record labels want them to be loud to appeal to audiences.

    Note to record labels: those who bought Death Magnetic by Metallica are asking for a remastered edition already, and those who bought the RHCP's Californication and Stadium Arcadium are also asking for a remastered edition. Some albums (including Viva La Vida) have lost their dynamic range - which is sad. Good music yet recorded terribly.

    Whoever mastered Chinese Democracy should be employed to master more albums.
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    Originally posted by drewhiggins:[..]

    Albums need to be mastered like they were back in the 70s - 80s. Now the record labels want them to be loud to appeal to audiences.

    Note to record labels: those who bought Death Magnetic by Metallica are asking for a remastered edition already, and those who bought the RHCP's Californication and Stadium Arcadium are also asking for a remastered edition. Some albums (including Viva La Vida) have lost their dynamic range - which is sad. Good music yet recorded terribly.

    Whoever mastered Chinese Democracy should be employed to master more albums.


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    Death Magnetic sounds terrible and it a shame because its a great record.
  8. Originally posted by drewhiggins:Albums need to be mastered like they were back in the 70s - 80s. Now the record labels want them to be loud to appeal to audiences.

    Note to record labels: those who bought Death Magnetic by Metallica are asking for a remastered edition already, and those who bought the RHCP's Californication and Stadium Arcadium are also asking for a remastered edition. Some albums (including Viva La Vida) have lost their dynamic range - which is sad. Good music yet recorded terribly.

    Whoever mastered Chinese Democracy should be employed to master more albums.


    Though it should be mentioned that artists give a great say in how the record sounds on CD. Many artists want that "wall of sound" that blasts you away, like 60's Phil Spector songs used to do.

    For example, Bob Ludwig, a brilliant mastering engineer for CD & Vinyl, he co-mastered Viva la Vida but also mastered the beautiful sounding Chinese Democracy.

    Here's a link to a great piece he wrote about the Chinese Democracy experience:
    http://www.gatewaymastering.com/gateway_LoudnessWars.asp
  9. Wow, I have read every post in this thread and I have to agree with both sides.

    Let's take for instance the U2 fans who have grown up with U2's music. Going from Joshua Tree to How to Dismantle...yeah, that's a very dramatic span.

    Then there are the U2 fans (like myself) who were born in the 90's era. To me, U2 was the best band on the stereo. I didn't start getting into U2 hardcore until about three years ago. So perhaps for the younger fans, albums like All You Can't and How to Dismantle were great albums for us. Me personally, I'm not picky about music. If U2, one of the biggest bands in history, is willing to take a chance and experiment then fine, more props to them. I'm proud of them for experimenting and trying new sounds and writing new lyrics.

    Did I like the album at first? Not really. It didn't hit right away like JT or AB (yes I DO agree with a lot of you on those two albums). However, the more I listened to it, I mean REALLY listened to it, I loved it. It's a very touching album. Is it one of my favorite U2 albums? Probably not yet. But maybe someday it will be. If I can't personally reach a song then I won't listen to it. But there are some songs, like Moment of Surrender and White as Snow that really connected with me.

    Also, just for the record, I am not a fan who will like anything by U2 just because it's U2. If I take every single album and put them onto my computer and shuffle the songs, I will skip A LOT of songs. You know why? Because bands aren't perfect. They grow like we grow.

    So maybe the question is: who has really changed? U2 or Us?

    I hope I didn't offend anyone...
  10. Originally posted by LoveandLogic:Wow, I have read every post in this thread and I have to agree with both sides.

    Let's take for instance the U2 fans who have grown up with U2's music. Going from Joshua Tree to How to Dismantle...yeah, that's a very dramatic span.

    Then there are the U2 fans (like myself) who were born in the 90's era. To me, U2 was the best band on the stereo. I didn't start getting into U2 hardcore until about three years ago. So perhaps for the younger fans, albums like All You Can't and How to Dismantle were great albums for us. Me personally, I'm not picky about music. If U2, one of the biggest bands in history, is willing to take a chance and experiment then fine, more props to them. I'm proud of them for experimenting and trying new sounds and writing new lyrics.

    Did I like the album at first? Not really. It didn't hit right away like JT or AB (yes I DO agree with a lot of you on those two albums). However, the more I listened to it, I mean REALLY listened to it, I loved it. It's a very touching album. Is it one of my favorite U2 albums? Probably not yet. But maybe someday it will be. If I can't personally reach a song then I won't listen to it. But there are some songs, like Moment of Surrender and White as Snow that really connected with me.

    Also, just for the record, I am not a fan who will like anything by U2 just because it's U2. If I take every single album and put them onto my computer and shuffle the songs, I will skip A LOT of songs. You know why? Because bands aren't perfect. They grow like we grow.

    So maybe the question is: who has really changed? U2 or Us?

    I hope I didn't offend anyone...

    Pssh, how could you offend a person? You were rather polite in my opinion
    I think that some fans changed, but for the most part, there are different generations of fans now, who all would like to have the U2 that was around when they got into them. People who became fans in the 80s may want an album to sound like the Joshua Tree or War, people who became fans in the 90s may want another Achtung Baby or Pop, and then people like me may want another album like ATYCLB.( I didn't, for the record lol) It's all relative to the fans I think.


  11. Yeah, but Lars says it sounds fantastic. On Guitar Hero, perhaps. I haven't actually heard it but this is from others who have and thought it was great.



    Though it should be mentioned that artists give a great say in how the record sounds on CD. Many artists want that "wall of sound" that blasts you away, like 60's Phil Spector songs used to do.

    For example, Bob Ludwig, a brilliant mastering engineer for CD & Vinyl, he co-mastered Viva la Vida but also mastered the beautiful sounding Chinese Democracy.

    Here's a link to a great piece he wrote about the Chinese Democracy experience:
    http://www.gatewaymastering.com/gateway_LoudnessWars.asp


    Bob Ludwig...an audio mastering genius. If you can have a loud record, yet dynamically intact even on the radio (which it explains), that is commendable. Most of the Guns records have all been dynamically perfect - the songs; maybe not all of them, but the sound is wonderful. Greatest Hits, Illusion, Appetite - perfect mastering. Some of the best I've heard yet.
  12. Originally posted by katherine94:[..]
    Pssh, how could you offend a person? You were rather polite in my opinion
    I think that some fans changed, but for the most part, there are different generations of fans now, who all would like to have the U2 that was around when they got into them. People who became fans in the 80s may want an album to sound like the Joshua Tree or War, people who became fans in the 90s may want another Achtung Baby or Pop, and then people like me may want another album like ATYCLB.( I didn't, for the record lol) It's all relative to the fans I think.



    Whoo, that's good that I sounded polite. Lol.

    See, for me, I didn't want their new album to sound like Actung or Joshua or any other U2 album. I wanted NLOTH to sound like...well, NLOTH. If every album sounded the same what would be the point of U2 being a band? They have to expand. If music never would have expanded we wouldn't have had bands like the Beatles. To me it's just pointless for a band to have every album sound the same. I would get bored. Every U2 album, to me, is a wonderful journey.
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