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  1. Originally posted by SalvationTambourine:[..]

    No one is jealous about other people having more money than us. We are all annoyed that real U2 fans are being robbed of the best tickets by people who in the majority of case, are not as dedicated to U2 as some of u are. The people who have queud outside the stadiums overnight and have queued for hours for their tickets are the peopl who deserve to be at the front.

    Well done to any true U2 fan who managed to get Red Zone tickets. Congrats and I hope you enjoy the show
    but to any one rich bloke whos going because its a big event or just because they have the money too, well then maybe you should remember all the real U2 fans who queud for hours just to get into the stadium and dedicated fans who couldnt get tickets.



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    Originally posted by SalvationTambourine:[..]
    but to any one rich bloke whos going because its a big event or just because they have the money too, well then maybe you should remember all the real U2 fans who queud for hours just to get into the stadium and dedicated fans who couldnt get tickets.

    Well, I agree that it would be more fun if everyone in the stadium would rank U2 as number one, but to be honest, I doubt that the stadiums would be sold out if those who don't rank them as number one were not allowed in. And actually I think they have the right to attend too, without feeling bad. I often go to concerts because it's fun and not because I'm a number one fan of whoever is performing.

    And, as I said, those who queued for hours to get to front row will be standing in front of those with red zone tickets.
  3. Originally posted by LenaF:[..]

    Well, I agree that it would be more fun if everyone in the stadium would rank U2 as number one, but to be honest, I doubt that the stadiums would be sold out if those who don't rank them as number one were not allowed in. And actually I think they have the right to attend too, without feeling bad. I often go to concerts because it's fun and not because I'm a number one fan of whoever is performing.



    I understand that and certainly I don't mind people going who don't rank U2 as their number one band. But when there are thousands of genuine hardcore U2 fans that can't get tickets and thats something I have a problem with. I know that its just the way the system works and we all gotta just go with it as best we can but not every fan has €50 to spend on a subscription to U2.com to guarentee tickets. There will be plenety of U2 fans who won't be able to get a ticket.

    I don't have anything personal against non-U2 fans who will attend by the way but during the Vertigo tour I experienced not being able to get a ticket and having people who never listened to a U2 album in their life come up to me and tell me how great it was. I know there are many others on this forum and on other U2 forums who experienced the same thing. It's not a good feeling. I know its just the way the system is and there no way to make it fairer but I do feel that hardcore U2 fans deserve to be able to go to a show if they want to. It's a sad day when U2 try encourage their most dedicated fans to take part in an auction for the best tickets in the house. On past tours you could earn your place at the front by going and making the sacrifice of queuing outside the stadium and no-one ever had any problem with that system. Why change that system?

  4. I think people are making a big deal out of this. The red zone tickets being audctioned are a tiny percentage of the total number of tickets. The prices are reasonable given what others think they can get away with (eg Madonna). I personally can't afford the red zone tickets but if you have the money, fair play, go and enjoy yourself!!

  5. Originally posted by SalvationTambourine:[..]
    It's a sad day when U2 try encourage their most dedicated fans to take part in an auction for the best tickets in the house. On past tours you could earn your place at the front by going and making the sacrifice of queuing outside the stadium and no-one ever had any problem with that system. Why change that system?

    I agree with everything you said...

    ... except the part quoted above. The red zones are not in the way for those who are queuing to get to front row. On the contrary -- it's impossible for those with red zone tickets to get there. Without breaking any rules, that is... And I certainly won't.

    I'm sorry that I keep repeating this, but I kind of want to straighten out that the red zones are not the same as front row.
  6. still think it's a crap idea. if it were good seats in the tribune area, I could understand that the more expensive = the better the seat, but down in the crowd everyone should have an equal chance to get a good place (thus by queuing). if you have GA tickets, no actual spot/seat is assigned to you, it's the whole area. you still gotta 'fight' for a good spot, no matter how much the ticket cost, but now, there are (limited!) people who can buy themselves a spot to stand close to the stage.. I just don't think it's right and nor is this whole red zone thing justified for me by people saying 'it's not the best spot, the inner circle is still free for everyone else'. well, there'll be thousands of people who can't get into the circle and would then have a chance to stand around it (because it's still a damn good spot to stand), but oh damn, there are the guys who -bought- themselves that spot..

    not blaming the ones who actually got such a red zone ticket, I don't like that the option is offered in the first place.
  7. Originally posted by SalvationTambourine:[..]

    No one is jealous about other people having more money than us. We are all annoyed that real U2 fans are being robbed of the best tickets by people who in the majority of case, are not as dedicated to U2 as some of u are. The people who have queud outside the stadiums overnight and have queued for hours for their tickets are the peopl who deserve to be at the front.

    Well done to any true U2 fan who managed to get Red Zone tickets. Congrats and I hope you enjoy the show
    but to any one rich bloke whos going because its a big event or just because they have the money too, well then maybe you should remember all the real U2 fans who queud for hours just to get into the stadium and dedicated fans who couldnt get tickets.

    The real rich guys get in by VIP status anyhow and won't pay a dime, as I've seen in Berlin 2001, where those TV-semi-celeb-dummies all appeared.

    As it has been clearified here, Front is not Red Zone! So anyone who likes to spend hours to wait for entrance has the chance to get GA/FOS I think.
    If he is able to survive the stampede when the gates open ... and when all solidarity is gone *g*

    But if in GA/FOS or elsewhere, you can be surrounded by nice positive people or be drunken idiots in any of those areas.

    But to assume that someone who does not want or can physically stand outside for hours is a less real fan is pretentious!

    cu
    hodel_05


  8. We need more of this true fan vs. casual fan discussions.
  9. It's gonna look poor on thhe DVD. Those closest standing around sipping champagne etc. I hate the idea but sure
  10. I personnaly have mixed feelings about this issue. I can see arguments from both camps.
    To me, it's a simple question - do I care about sitting/standing close to the band so much that I'm willing to pay sum xy or not.
    The only thing that annoys me is that benevolent justification. It's as thin as the cheaper tix argument on the Blackberry deal.
  11. Not sure how a real fan is defined but I guess that I might be one as U2 are my favourite band. I have bought every album on release date since Joshua Tree and I paid to see them live 28 times so far, usually saving up for what has become a four yearly event- the tour.

    I secured four GAs for Wembley the other day and a good friend if mine wants to come with me. This mate of mine has never seen U2 and does not rate them as his favourite band, although he does like them and is hoping to see what I have referred to as "the greatest live band in the world "

    Should I let my mate have a ticket and come with us, or should I say no and explain to him that someone who is a real fan deserves it more ?

    Quite frankly he will be coming with me and I do not feel bad about it !
  12. Originally posted by hodel_05:But to assume that someone who does not want or can physically stand outside for hours is a less real fan is pretentious!
    Yeah, good point!
    Originally posted by flowerchild:if it were good seats in the tribune area, I could understand that the more expensive = the better the seat, but down in the crowd everyone should have an equal chance to get a good place (thus by queuing). if you have GA tickets, no actual spot/seat is assigned to you, it's the whole area. you still gotta 'fight' for a good spot, no matter how much the ticket cost, but now, there are (limited!) people who can buy themselves a spot to stand close to the stage.

    But, what about those who can't afford to take the day off to queue? Time is money. Or at least it can be. Those who are queuing are often in this way spending money indirectly, aren't they?

    It's interesting that people easily accept different price categories for seats but none at all for the field. If the field traditionally, at all big concerts, had been divided into 10 different zones, or whatever, people wouldn't question it. It's all a matter of tradition, isn't it?

    Yes, it might look bad on the DVD. Not the champagne part so much, but the fact that there are spots that are not so crowded. Luckily enough, those in the red zone are not closest to the stage.
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