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  1. LOL

    no really, maybe somebody over here could do a roundup of what is known about SoA recordingactivities up until know? It will help the discussion...

    - possible songtitles: (every breaking wave, ....... etc)
    - recording locations: (Fez, Vancouver, Dublin, .... etc)
    - formats: (full album not likely, maybe download Zooropa-like format, even 'R&H' like format was mentioned........ etc)
    - etc

    or does this sound to much like @U2-rumours.....?

  2. Please keep it relevant folks
  3. I heard that Pasadena DVD will include code to download a few new songs from u2.com...
  5. Originally posted by u2joost:LOL

    no really, maybe somebody over here could do a roundup of what is known about SoA recordingactivities up until know? It will help the discussion...

    - possible songtitles: (every breaking wave, ....... etc)
    - recording locations: (Fez, Vancouver, Dublin, .... etc)
    - formats: (full album not likely, maybe download Zooropa-like format, even 'R&H' like format was mentioned........ etc)
    - etc

    or does this sound to much like @U2-rumours.....?




    Right here: http://u2start.com/topic/5307/
  6. Originally posted by drewhiggins:What's wrong with U2 (aka The English-Irish Music Corporation) at this point:


    The website sucks more balls than anyone. Eight-week-old news, hardly any decent media features and crap fanclub gifts. LN and anyone else involved could have a look at Pearl Jam's official site and see what people actually want and actually would be happy to pay for. At this point they won't be getting my money - LN and U2.com and U2 can shove it where the Artificial Horizon vinyl don't spin.


    Issuing remixes on every freaking single release. Yeah, they had a couple of live B-sides which were a welcome change but they had fixed audio. Live is live, not 'let's do it live and then fix it up later', but the remixes are becoming a little much. 14 remixes on one Magnificent single if I remember - here's half an idea. Get into the studio, record a quick acoustic demo and release it. Y'know, it might become really popular and get you noticed again.


    Stop re-issuing old albums. Yes, some new songs are always nice to get (and Yoshino Blossom is one of the best post-2000 songs U2 has released) but stop trying to capture past glory. Fuck the past, kiss the future - by going back to 1984 and every other year of the 80s you're not doing that. Instead, release a set of live remastered DVDs and only re-issue for the truly landmark albums - the first three weren't landmarks like Achtung Baby was.



    If Songs Of Ascent is worthless then I won't hold high expectations. At this point I've already lost half my interest in this band, don't make it 100%.



    Och go away and dry your eyes!!!!


  7. Aye? Eyes dried and because I dried them I can see just what's wrong here. It's just you can't keep releasing remixes and past albums and expecting everyone to be thrilled. Even at u2.com they're whinging about it and on the mp3s site it's the exact same.

    I liked a couple of the Magnificent ones and I think one of the Crazy Tonight ones but that was it. I didn't think the first deluxe remasters were worth it so I bought the first discs instead and started enjoying those more. The concert DVDs are welcome too - but just they need to start putting out proper B-sides or at least better remixes and something drastically different sounding.

    And announcing Australian dates would be nice too.
  8. +1 to Drew.

    I'm still a completely faithful fan (and I always will, U2 are my band after all), but I can see the continous failures that U2 have brought to us since 2008. And I'm not talking artistically, as I liked NLOTH when it was out, and I enjoyed the opening of the tour, etc etc... I'm talking about how they approach their marketing, their declarations to the media, their releases, etc. Drew is completely right, releasing a single composed of the song (normally edited to fit the 3:30/4:15 minutes - scale) plus a variable number of remixed of that same song is a fucking shit. Sorry for the expression but it's how I feel it, it's pure crap.
    Single song + one remix + one live track + one b-side (even crappy, but a different song) is alright.
    Single song + 10 remixes is not right.

    They're doing something wrong. For me, it's like they have accepted their "Biggest Band Of The World" award and they think they have nothing else to do; they can release crappy singles and not care about their fans, and still being the biggest? Don't think so. They'd better open their eyes, or (unless they take out a masterpiece - the masterpiece that ATYCLB never was, nor HTDDAAB, nor NLOTH) they will lose that Biggest Band consideration.


    That said, I'm still a fan, I'm still learning their songs on guitar, I still cry when I hear Mothers Of The Disappeared from Santiago 98, I still cheer like a 15-y-o teenager when I hear Pride on the radio... But I can see, I just can see.
  9. Originally posted by LikeASong:+1 to Drew.

    I'm still a completely faithful fan (and I always will, U2 are my band after all), but I can see the continous failures that U2 have brought to us since 2008. And I'm not talking artistically, as I liked NLOTH when it was out, and I enjoyed the opening of the tour, etc etc... I'm talking about how they approach their marketing, their declarations to the media, their releases, etc. Drew is completely right, releasing a single composed of the song (normally edited to fit the 3:30/4:15 minutes - scale) plus a variable number of remixed of that same song is a fucking shit. Sorry for the expression but it's how I feel it, it's pure crap.
    Single song + one remix + one live track + one b-side (even crappy, but a different song) is alright.
    Single song + 10 remixes is not right.


    You can't sell the same thing to the same old crowd forever'. I'd have no qualms with it if they put out several live albums maybe each year - but getting remixes with the same standard 1-2 beat doesn't get me like it should. Remixes can be amazing things and they can sound so terribly different to the song but they sound so stale. Some imagination would be nice.



    They're doing something wrong. For me, it's like they have accepted their "Biggest Band Of The World" award and they think they have nothing else to do; they can release crappy singles and not care about their fans, and still being the biggest? Don't think so. They'd better open their eyes, or (unless they take out a masterpiece - the masterpiece that ATYCLB never was, nor HTDDAAB, nor NLOTH) they will lose that Biggest Band consideration.

    That said, I'm still a fan, I'm still learning their songs on guitar, I still cry when I hear Mothers Of The Disappeared from Santiago 98, I still cheer like a 15-y-o teenager when I hear Pride on the radio... But I can see, I just can see.



    It's not that they accepted that award or anything like it (I know there was no award like it but it's the concept behind that) - they accepted it but not based on acceptance of that award alone. It's like they've found something that works - releasing remix singles as was done back in the 90s and continued on and on and on and on and so forth - the remixes in the 90s were fantastic - and figure by doing that, nobody has whinged about it but now they are. If their mantra was two crap singles and you're out, then singles wouldn't even matter to U2 anymore.

    Me too. I'll always be a fan like I have been since the late 90s but when stunts like this are pulled THREE times in a row on the same record, that's when you've gotta ask yourself why? What makes you a fan? What makes me a fan is they get me when I hear something amazing like Zooropa or something I have a love for such as Miami (that industrial sound!). I don't get like that when I think of the last ten years.

    Anyone that thinks what I've written tonight is a thing to say I hate U2, it's not that I hate the band at all. Far from it - if I did you'd see all my singles, albums, posters, shirts, box-sets, DVDs etc here for selling and giving away of boots and that stuff and asking my account to be deactivated (which I haven't) - I do hate the excuses of singles and their 'talking the talk but not walking the walk' at the moment and that can change. So get on it!!!!
  10. OK - I take Sergio and Drew's comments about singles, remixes etc on board but some of the comments are a bit much. Claims of fucking crap, shoving things and 50% of a fan are a bit strong in my opinion. The simple solution is if you dont like it, dont buy it. You cant claim to be a victim of rampant band marketing if you choose NOT to buy remasters and remixes.

    I dont think their recent work has been their best either but that doesnt equate to them taking their fans for granted. The band have been working for more than 30 years and to keep churning out new material is tough enough let alone matching the quality of older stuff. Another thing is that fans nowadays have many ways of obtaining tunes that simply were not available years ago and learnng of set-lists of gigs ahead of going to shows etc. In other words, its much tougher to surprise fans the way it was, say 15 years ago.

    U2.com? I couldnt care less what content it has. Like a lot of official sites (football teams, bands etc) they always break news last as they dont divulge in rumour - that is the beauty of places like U2 Start!! If I want a U2 fix, I'll listen to my tunes, watch my DVD's and/or come on here to share comment with fellow fans - U2.com can be as shit as it likes

    As for marketing - the strategy is nothing new. U2 have always been relentless in this field. Media, releases, tours, merchandise are all an important part of the U2 machine and they seek to exploit all of these whenever possible. Trouble now is that the underlying product ie the songs are not as strong as they were in previous years. Jeez even when they were touring JT, they nearly blew it all with Rattle and Hum - it was too much.

    One thing I strongly agree with Drew on though is the Oz dates - these should have been announced long ago. Having said that, the logistics of taking it Down under will be huge - I just hope your ticket prices dont reflect this....

    As I said, I take your comments on board but like in all walks of life - if you dont like something, dont buy it. If you feel the Band are being exploitive with remasters, remixes etc - just dont buy it....simple as that.

  11. Well i think we're all still (huge) fans because U2 isn't the best band in a studio, they never will be, but they ARE the best LIVE band... And after all, that's what matters to me

    But about SOA... I'm afraid it will only remain a dream
  12. Originally posted by PEDRO67:OK - I take Sergio and Drew's comments about singles, remixes etc on board but some of the comments are a bit much. Claims of fucking crap, shoving things and 50% of a fan are a bit strong in my opinion. The simple solution is if you dont like it, dont buy it. You cant claim to be a victim of rampant band marketing if you choose NOT to buy remasters and remixes.

    (...)

    As I said, I take your comments on board but like in all walks of life - if you dont like something, dont buy it. If you feel the Band are being exploitive with remasters, remixes etc - just dont buy it....simple as that.

    Yes. That's why I haven't bought any of the singles off NLOTH. No GOBY, no Magnificent, no I'll Go Crazy. I'm coherent with my ideas, you shouldn't worry about that

    But that doesn't imply that I must be OK with the fact itself. I am not OK with it.

    When I look back and I see singles like Stay (with I've Got You Under My Skin, Slow Dancing, Bullet The Blue Sky-live and Love Is Blindness-live as B-sides... and yet another version of the single with two remixes of Lemon), or like EBTTRT (with 3 or 4 remixes of th track itself, plus Where Did It All Go Wrong? and Salome as b-sides), or like One (with Lady WTSH, Satellite Of Love and Nighat And Day as b-sides), or like PopHeart, or like Walk On (with Beautiful Day live and remixed, Big Girls Are Best and New York live as b-sides, and yet another version with Stay, Streets and Gone as b-sides), or like.............. (the list goes on and on)........... it makes me sad


    I complain not because I like; it's because I want them to make things better, that's all.
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