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  1. Originally posted by Risto:I agree completely about being independent, but some things you dont have a say in. If you loose your legs it would be fun if your children dont suffer too much by it.




    I just dont want to take anything, I dont have too.

    I know people who are deranged freeloaders. People who celebrate that they get welfare, and stay out of work to keep getting it. Personally, I think they should get a boot in the booty.
  2. That is more than understandable. Dont think anyone disagrees with you about that. But there are always corrupt and egoistic persons.
  3. Originally posted by Risto:That is more than understandable. Dont think anyone disagrees with you about that. But there are always corrupt and egoistic persons.


    I just dont get the members on here who think I'm nuts for not going to college, because I woulnd't take assistance.
  4. Well I think I would've taken the assistence since i see it as an investment from the state into you. They cant grab your money if you aint got a job. And jobs are much more likely with education.


  5. Because I see that you're a great patriot and you should know that you're of better use to country if you finish collage, one way or another.

    Government assist you during your collage and then when you get a job you pay taxes. Government assists you for couple of years and then you pay taxes for the rest of your lives. You don't get anything for free, you pay for everything.

  6. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    Because I see that you're a great patriot and you should know that you're of better use to country if you finish collage, one way or another.

    Government assist you during your collage and then when you get a job you pay taxes. Government assists you for couple of years and then you pay taxes for the rest of your lives. You don't get anything for free, you pay for everything.




    in australia theres a thing called HECS fees where the government will pay for your Uni degree but u have to pay it back (small deductions come from ur pay im pretty sure) as soon as u start earning X amount of dollars. Is this in other countries?
  7. Originally posted by Andrew_C:[..]

    in australia theres a thing called HECS fees where the government will pay for your Uni degree but u have to pay it back (small deductions come from ur pay im pretty sure) as soon as u start earning X amount of dollars. Is this in other countries?


    I believe there's a student loan system similiar to this in the United Kingdom.
  8. Here there are 2 systems:

    - Base budget (includes public transport): Around € 100 /month during 3/4 years (?). If you get a degree in 10 years you dont have to pay it back. If you are living on your own you get more (think around 200-250 euros)

    - Additional loan with (very) low interest.

    They want to scrap the first system now. This means no public transport (around €160/month) and no monthly budget. Around 50% of the 630 000 students have said they wouldnt study without it, since they cant afford it. Not weird if you see that books of one course can cost up to 70 euros. And there are around 10-20 courses each year.

    And a possible 50% decrease in students is destructive for a country like Holland where knowledge is very important in its economy.
  9. Originally posted by Risto:Well I think I would've taken the assistence since i see it as an investment from the state into you. They cant grab your money if you aint got a job. And jobs are much more likely with education.


    I like being self-dependent.
  10. Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

    Because I see that you're a great patriot and you should know that you're of better use to country if you finish collage, one way or another.

    Government assist you during your collage and then when you get a job you pay taxes. Government assists you for couple of years and then you pay taxes for the rest of your lives. You don't get anything for free, you pay for everything.




    You basicly your saying I should do it, to become a slave to my country?

    Thats freaking idiotic.
  11. Originally posted by Risto:Here there are 2 systems:

    - Base budget (includes public transport): Around € 100 /month during 3/4 years (?). If you get a degree in 10 years you dont have to pay it back. If you are living on your own you get more (think around 200-250 euros)

    - Additional loan with (very) low interest.

    They want to scrap the first system now. This means no public transport (around €160/month) and no monthly budget. Around 50% of the 630 000 students have said they wouldnt study without it, since they cant afford it. Not weird if you see that books of one course can cost up to 70 euros. And there are around 10-20 courses each year.

    And a possible 50% decrease in students is destructive for a country like Holland where knowledge is very important in its economy.


    Going to college is important, in the U.S. to, but I want to do it on my own dime.

    Hell, I'll probally get kicked out anyways. The majoriety of American colleges empley far-left neo-marxist Bill Ayers wannabes, who verbally abuse anyone who dont agree with there version of how the world should be.


  12. Let me just ask you - what do you do in your life? You don't study, do you work?
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