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  1. Originally posted by germcevoy:I'll put England's problem on a plate. It's not really the players, it's not really the managers and it certainly isn't the ball. The simple fact of the matter is that England just aren't that good. Form and fact show that they aren't really World Champion calibre, so why send them into every World Cup as potential favourites? Look at Uruguay for example, great team but not expected to win but onto the last 8 they go with the brilliance of the players and fans experiencing a good run? England are a not so great team but are constantly expected to go all the way just to fall every time and go down as a disappointment. Why isn't a second round defeat or a quarter finals spot not good enough?

    I'm not suggesting that England play as defeatists, but simply wipe away this potential winners status, accept that you are maybe above average and have another go at it. Enjoy where it takes the team (even if it only is into the second round). Look at the USA, they got to the second round, enjoyed the run and were defeated with pride.


    Blaming the ball is embarrassing.


    Agreed.
  2. Who is blaming the ball? I was just pointing out that it's true the FA lost a load of Jabulani balls ahead of the World Cup that we were supposed to practice with. But what it comes down to is England were crap simple as. There were lots of things wrong - everywhere - anyone can see it. Overrated and overhyped by our media, a crap manager, crap choice of players, crap formation, the list goes on.
  3. Originally posted by u2opra:Who is blaming the ball? I was just pointing out that it's true the FA lost a load of Jabulani balls ahead of the World Cup that we were supposed to practice with. But what it comes down to is England were crap simple as. There were lots of things wrong - everywhere - anyone can see it. Overrated and overhyped by our media, a crap manager, crap choice of players, crap formation, the list goes on.


    Josh (u2spear) is blaming the ball.


  4. I think it's fair to say that everyone here would be really dissapointed if their country got kicked out of the world cup. Especially when a 100% goal is denied.

    I'm Dutch, wasn't particularly supporting either one of the teams, and saw a very exciting match this afternoon. I think that ridiculous dictator Blatter should resign a.s.a.p. for not wanting technical assistance for the referees. That is a f*ckink disgrace.

    As to "my" team; we're playing Slovakia tomorrow. Of course I'm really wanting them to win, I really think they can go far this tournament. But it can also be over tomorrow afternoon.

    That's the game.
  5. Argentina - Mexico 1-0 --> offside goal
  7. shambles. The linesman saw the replay on the big screen but the ref cant over rule? What the fuck. They give the ref all the power but he can't over rule a decision. Twice today, killing the game.
  8. Originally posted by yeah:[..]

    Frank Lampard.

    Sidenote: In February the FIFA offered testing balls to every team. All teams accepted to test them - except England.

    But the ball certainly didn't make any difference today.


    Rubbish. Firstly Lampard is bound to be positive about the ball since he endorses Adidas products.

    Secondly, England didn't reject the offer to test the balls. They had 25 of them delivered to FA HQ. Hardly rejecting the use of them. They were unable to use them because the Premier League is contractually obliged to use Nike balls (unlike the Bundesliga) and England are contractually obliged to use Umbro balls (even in training outside of the World Cup). So whatever you're getting at is total bollocks.

    Thirdly, I agree, the ball made no difference today.

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    On to today's game. England were shambolic for the most part. The first goal was a route one ball (something Beckenbauer would approve of) which was just ignored by the English defence. Why they two centre backs were so far apart and why Klose had so much space I will never know. Shocking.

    The second goal was brilliant play by the Germans but Johnson should've done better when the ball was played to Podolski. Instead of playing the German offise, get and cover the far post.

    Then we saw some conviction from the English and saw them grab a decent goal. And then of course ther ewas Lampards goal a matter of seconds later. England were on fire at that point and had it counted, they may have continued to pressure the Germans and maybe go in 3-2 up at half time, who knows?

    Second half we came out and looked lively, pressured the Germans some more but then it all of a sudden slowed down and we got sloppy, gave the ball away too much and on two occasions we were punished by two lightening quick German counterattacks. Game over.

    Apart from that spell towards the end of the first half and at the end of the second half we were poor. Poor defence, poor possesion. Just shocking.
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    And here we go at the Argentina game. More controversy thanks to the idiots at Fifa.
  9. At leas the 2 - 0 was a good goal.
  10. Originally posted by germcevoy:shambles. The linesman saw the replay on the big screen but the ref cant over rule? What the fuck. They give the ref all the power but he can't over rule a decision. Twice today, killing the game.


    Well this is fifa for you. They want the game to be as human and as pure as possible, yet allow these shocking decisions to tarnish the reputation and spectacle of the sport. Disgraceful. Numerous poor decisions made at this World Cup and probably many more to come.
  11. Originally posted by germcevoy:[..]

    You should be joining in after this world cup run. My England bashing is more aimed at the British media though. They are the real tossers. I expect to see at least one front page taken up entirely by a picture of the goal line as Lampard's effort went over it.


    Of course the England team deserves a bashing and I have more than enough rights to do so. But agreed, the media will concentrate on the goal and to some extent you'd expect that. It was a crucial decision and a very unjust decision.

    That said, no-one can deny the fact England had a poor tournament and the whole collective perfromance can't be pinned down to Lampards disallowed goal. But I do think some people have a little more right to criticise their home country than others.

    Originally posted by germcevoy:I'll put England's problem on a plate. It's not really the players, it's not really the managers and it certainly isn't the ball. The simple fact of the matter is that England just aren't that good. Form and fact show that they aren't really World Champion calibre, so why send them into every World Cup as potential favourites? Look at Uruguay for example, great team but not expected to win but onto the last 8 they go with the brilliance of the players and fans experiencing a good run? England are a not so great team but are constantly expected to go all the way just to fall every time and go down as a disappointment. Why isn't a second round defeat or a quarter finals spot not good enough?

    I'm not suggesting that England play as defeatists, but simply wipe away this potential winners status, accept that you are maybe above average and have another go at it. Enjoy where it takes the team (even if it only is into the second round). Look at the USA, they got to the second round, enjoyed the run and were defeated with pride.


    Blaming the ball is embarrassing.


    Agree in the most part with this. The England team does have a lot of pressure placed up on it, but the players are more than capable of coping and should be able to perform well like they do at club level. Second round and quarter finals will never be good enough because we just want more lol and really, we expect more.
  12. I'm sorry, I'm a sore looser and I'm taking it out on the wrong people.

    Yes it was a goal and it changed the game, I feel we would have won, 2 goals in 2 minutes, the reff and linesman messed it up.

    Sorry, I know its not your fault everyone and I just fancied an argument

    We should have won, Cappello is to blame mostly, I feel.

    The ball does make a difference, maybe not that much in today's game but the players were moaning at the start of the tournament and it does move significantly.

    We do have CLASS players: Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Joe Cole, but they did not perform and we were not outclassed at all today.

    Once again, appologies.
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