Originally posted by MacStripey:good morning, friends
wow, a lot of discussion has been going on since yesterday afternoon. as was to be expected. I stayed offline until now, as I know myself for being too emotional after such events, no matter if my team looses or wins - see my comment right after the game with a zillion smilies... doesn't look too good now that a new day is here
I can tell you, my English friends: as much as we certainly celebrate our victory in this classic game over here, there is no doubt in both the German media and among us football fans, that you got cheated for that goal, and that yes, maybe a 2:2 would have changed it all, as England was putting up a lot of pressure in that phase and Germany had problems dealing with that. It could have changed everything, and it's bitter that England had to go in the end. It leaves a bitter taste for sure. But on the other hand, a 4:1 is a clear result, as a 2:1 maybe would have never been.
I don't mean to start the discussion again, I just feel like saying we're happy like woah that our team played this strong and that we won and got to the next round - but there is also a good healthy respect for England and the widely acknowledgement of that goal. Newspapers, no, everyone here, calls it the Revenge for Wembley now, and you may forgive us for that, as the Wembley goal still has its place in our hearts and minds even after all these decades.
But we're not laughing about England that we send them home. We all laugh about Italy, that's a whole different story. England has our respect, and it was a classic and grand game yesterday. All due respect to that. One team had to win, it could have been England as well.
We all agree - no matter if you sit in an English or a German pub today - that yesterday's referee is the blindest creature walking on Earth.
and this is a fairly long comment, given the fact I didn't want to say that much
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Originally posted by djrlewis:First time I watch a football match for 8 years and England were shockingly bad. I'll go have another 8 years off I think.
PS all this debate about allowing replays is irrelevant. Firstly, the ref should have been able to allow it without needing a replay, it was so obvious.
Secondly, England were so woeful they would still have lost anyway. Or dealt Germay a huge injustice if they hadn't.
My 2p
Originally posted by u2spear:[..]
How were England woeful? we scored 2 good goals, hit the bar twice, Rooney wasn't offside in the first 2 minutes so he would have had a 1 on 1. And Germany's last 2 goals were from counter attacks because we were trying to get a goal back which should have counted.
Originally posted by MWSAH:[..]
Now you disqualify Germany's counter-goals while countering needs to be mastered too. And the Germans did that. All in all, Germany deserved to win. England had some good opportunities and a lot of bad luck, but Germany had some good chances too besides the four goals.
And James needs replacement. Greene might drop a ball, James can't keep his goal clean at all.
Originally posted by yeah:Beating a dead horse.
If it helps you, the german win was undeserved and lucky and the english team was performing well but got robbed by the ref (even if the english players say otherwise).
Originally posted by u2spear:[..]
Couldn't agree with you more, that helps a lot. Nah all I'm saying is the game was spoilt and England weren't even that bad. Algeria was an embarrasing performance but this wasn't that bad, we scored 2 goals against Germany...