1. Yes, I'm American, and I fully admit our audiences are full of quiet right wing rich republicans who wouldn't get loud if you threw hot water on them.

    Despite that, I can't believe so many of you see that as an issue. I don't ever think to myself: "Hey, I want to watch a concert...so I can see how loud the crowd is."

    Honestly, I could care less if there was one fan at the show, or 500,000. I could care less how much passion they have. I want the show to be good. U2 won't film several shows and choose the best one. They absolutely have to have BIllions of cameras, and worry about how technically proficient it is. They don't seem to care about anything except for hiring Hack directors like Cornish Hamilton or Freddy Krueger, who cannot keep the camera still.

    I just can't believe how many people fall for gimmicks. U2 really believe they made a great concert film.

    Then again, I have seen written accounts by people saying that the remix of I'll Go Crazy if I Don't Remix another Song Again Tonight.....is the BEST 360 Tour Song.

    Again, I can't believe my eyes on that one. The remix sounds like a weak Pop Outtake. The original is better...kind of like Walk On's less attractive cousin, but still ok.

    They get rid of great songs like Breathe, Unforgettable Fire, etc...yet I'll Go Crazy carries on, and they have put it on damb near every single release they can cram it on.

  2. That post is priceless ... specially your reworked title of the infamous song!! hahaha
  3. Originally posted by pleasegone:Yes, I'm American, and I fully admit our audiences are full of quiet right wing rich republicans who wouldn't get loud if you threw hot water on them.

    Despite that, I can't believe so many of you see that as an issue. I don't ever think to myself: "Hey, I want to watch a concert...so I can see how loud the crowd is."

    Honestly, I could care less if there was one fan at the show, or 500,000. I could care less how much passion they have. I want the show to be good. U2 won't film several shows and choose the best one. They absolutely have to have BIllions of cameras, and worry about how technically proficient it is. They don't seem to care about anything except for hiring Hack directors like Cornish Hamilton or Freddy Krueger, who cannot keep the camera still.

    I just can't believe how many people fall for gimmicks. U2 really believe they made a great concert film.

    Then again, I have seen written accounts by people saying that the remix of I'll Go Crazy if I Don't Remix another Song Again Tonight.....is the BEST 360 Tour Song.

    Again, I can't believe my eyes on that one. The remix sounds like a weak Pop Outtake. The original is better...kind of like Walk On's less attractive cousin, but still ok.

    They get rid of great songs like Breathe, Unforgettable Fire, etc...yet I'll Go Crazy carries on, and they have put it on damb near every single release they can cram it on.




    As all live performances today, a concert is derived from Theater, which relies heavily in the audience performer relationship...

    So, an audience in a concert is not only important, is necessary. So you can measure the concerts success by how the audience reacts to that performance.

    You may not care, but a lot of people do, and the performer does...

  4. Originally posted by pleasegone:Yes, I'm American, and I fully admit our audiences are full of quiet right wing rich republicans who wouldn't get loud if you threw hot water on them.

    Despite that, I can't believe so many of you see that as an issue. I don't ever think to myself: "Hey, I want to watch a concert...so I can see how loud the crowd is."

    Honestly, I could care less if there was one fan at the show, or 500,000. I could care less how much passion they have. I want the show to be good. U2 won't film several shows and choose the best one. They absolutely have to have BIllions of cameras, and worry about how technically proficient it is. They don't seem to care about anything except for hiring Hack directors like Cornish Hamilton or Freddy Krueger, who cannot keep the camera still.

    I just can't believe how many people fall for gimmicks. U2 really believe they made a great concert film.

    Then again, I have seen written accounts by people saying that the remix of I'll Go Crazy if I Don't Remix another Song Again Tonight.....is the BEST 360 Tour Song.

    Again, I can't believe my eyes on that one. The remix sounds like a weak Pop Outtake. The original is better...kind of like Walk On's less attractive cousin, but still ok.

    They get rid of great songs like Breathe, Unforgettable Fire, etc...yet I'll Go Crazy carries on, and they have put it on damb near every single release they can cram it on.




    Great post..I agree with you 100%....I have said countless times,Crazy Tonight Remix is BRUTAL....and the studio version isnt a bad tune.
    Also,I have seen the band many,many times here over the years in NYC.I think our crowds are fantastic.Very passionate with tons of energy.I cant understand why they havent filmed a show here or at least release a live cd from NYC.
    But then again,U2 refuse to release live cds...period.O well...


  5. That would be great,but the problem is,U2 DONT RELEASE LIVE ALBUMS.
    Think about it.Since UABRS (EP) 1983,how many live only albums do the band have on cd ??
    Slane was released (fanclub only) close to 6 years after the gig.Sydney was released a cool 14 years after the show,(fanclub only of course).Paris 1987 ?...released on mp3 2007, only 20 years after the show........
    So,I wouldnt exactly hold my breath for a live cd.
    It would have made all the sense in the world,after the great 2010 European Tour,to release a double live cd.Nope.
    Or how about,every show from Europe 2010 available on U2s website,for mp3 download?Nope.We got 2 songs,remixed and heavily edited WAIE.

  6. Great post..I agree with you 100%....I have said countless times,Crazy Tonight Remix is BRUTAL....and the studio version isnt a bad tune.
    Also,I have seen the band many,many times here over the years in NYC.I think our crowds are fantastic.Very passionate with tons of energy.I cant understand why they havent filmed a show here or at least release a live cd from NYC.
    But then again,U2 refuse to release live cds...period.O well...


    Wow, I have not had too many people agreeing with me here. I don't care if they record a show from The US, UK, Ireland, Japan, The Moon, etc. I just want another DVD. Of course, the Raleigh NC show I went to was incredible. For example, if your choice was a great show with a lame audience, or a lame show with a great audience...which would you choose? Some on here, might want to watch a show for the great audience. Well, I can go to sporting events if I want a great audience. For music, I want the best performance.
  7. Originally posted by pleasegone:
    Great post..I agree with you 100%....I have said countless times,Crazy Tonight Remix is BRUTAL....and the studio version isnt a bad tune.
    Also,I have seen the band many,many times here over the years in NYC.I think our crowds are fantastic.Very passionate with tons of energy.I cant understand why they havent filmed a show here or at least release a live cd from NYC.
    But then again,U2 refuse to release live cds...period.O well...


    Wow, I have not had too many people agreeing with me here. I don't care if they record a show from The US, UK, Ireland, Japan, The Moon, etc. I just want another DVD. Of course, the Raleigh NC show I went to was incredible. For example, if your choice was a great show with a lame audience, or a lame show with a great audience...which would you choose? Some on here, might want to watch a show for the great audience. Well, I can go to sporting events if I want a great audience. For music, I want the best performance.


    Very true.Some fans get too hyped up at gigs.I saw Pearl Jam live In Barcelona May 2000.There was a large portion of the crowd screaming and doing loud chants, without even looking at the stage.The chants made me feel like I was at a sporting event,like a soccer match.Almost as if the show was secondary.One fan was running around with a flag.Not looking at the stage mind you.He was doing laps around the arena with the flag.It was like he was mental.Now,if I did that here in NYC,at MSG,I would be tossed out.LOL.
    I really thought U2s performance from Boston 2001 was great.Alot of fans on here say the crowd was awful.I couldnt even see the crowd,since the camera shots dont stay on one shot for more than 1 second.BTBS,Streets,Bad,The Fly,Gone,WOWY, are IMO great performances from the Boston show.
    So,yes I agree with you.I do find it a bit odd,that a European band like U2,dont film and release more DVDs from Europe.I think that has some of their European fans ticked off.I also think its strange, the band didnt return to Dublin in 2010.They played in Paris in 2009,and again in 2010.
    As far as the Slane gig from 2001,it was released 2 full years later,almost as an afterthought.
  8. Originally posted by pleasegone:Yes, I'm American, and I fully admit our audiences are full of quiet right wing rich republicans who wouldn't get loud if you threw hot water on them.

    Despite that, I can't believe so many of you see that as an issue. I don't ever think to myself: "Hey, I want to watch a concert...so I can see how loud the crowd is."

    Honestly, I could care less if there was one fan at the show, or 500,000. I could care less how much passion they have. I want the show to be good. U2 won't film several shows and choose the best one. They absolutely have to have BIllions of cameras, and worry about how technically proficient it is. They don't seem to care about anything except for hiring Hack directors like Cornish Hamilton or Freddy Krueger, who cannot keep the camera still.

    I just can't believe how many people fall for gimmicks. U2 really believe they made a great concert film.

    Then again, I have seen written accounts by people saying that the remix of I'll Go Crazy if I Don't Remix another Song Again Tonight.....is the BEST 360 Tour Song.

    Again, I can't believe my eyes on that one. The remix sounds like a weak Pop Outtake. The original is better...kind of like Walk On's less attractive cousin, but still ok.

    They get rid of great songs like Breathe, Unforgettable Fire, etc...yet I'll Go Crazy carries on, and they have put it on damb near every single release they can cram it on.




    I couldn´t disagree more, mate

    The crowd makes such a difference in the show experience and how i get engaged to it. There are no words to describe the feeling I had when everyone was jumping together in the Brazilian GA during Out of Control.

    The crowd in the Oasis show I went ruined it because they were so disconnected to the show... actually that was Oasis´fault... crappy sound and average performance.

    It´s pretty much like a party... If everyone is walking lame, you can still enjoy it, but it won´t be remembered by how amazing and fun it was. But if you go and everyone is having a hell of a time, you´ll tag along!

    All in my humble opinion!
  9. Originally posted by NLOTH_Victor:[..]

    I couldn´t disagree more, mate

    The crowd makes such a difference in the show experience and how i get engaged to it. There are no words to describe the feeling I had when everyone was jumping together in the Brazilian GA during Out of Control.

    The crowd in the Oasis show I went ruined it because they were so disconnected to the show... actually that was Oasis´fault... crappy sound and average performance.

    It´s pretty much like a party... If everyone is walking lame, you can still enjoy it, but it won´t be remembered by how amazing and fun it was. But if you go and everyone is having a hell of a time, you´ll tag along!

    All in my humble opinion!


    I believe he was talking about watching a dvd performance. I agree with him in that I buy a music dvd to watch the band, not the crowd. Sure the crowd can provide ambience and maybe help to produce that feeling of "it's just like being there", but in the end it's about how well the band performs on the recording, not the audience.

    To be honest, I don't really care where it's filmed. I'm from Canada and they've never released anything recorded here officially (as far as I know...). Do I feel offended? No. Sure one could argue that Canada is on the North American continent with U.S, so it's not that different. But I could say the same when comparing American/Canadian and European shows. For some reason everything seems to think the audiences there are SOOOO MUCH BETTERRRR. On average I'd say they're about the same. The Slane dvd had the same audience reactions to the music as the Boston dvd did, there was just a higher amount of people there. The only audience that I can really notice a difference in all of the time is the South American audience, and they're just nuts. When I see them in a bootleg dvd, I don't think "wow they're real fans" I think "wow they're having a good time". The point is, as the first guy said, the performance is what matters, not the audience.
  10. Originally posted by RattleandHum1988:[..]

    I believe he was talking about watching a dvd performance. I agree with him in that I buy a music dvd to watch the band, not the crowd. Sure the crowd can provide ambience and maybe help to produce that feeling of "it's just like being there", but in the end it's about how well the band performs on the recording, not the audience.

    To be honest, I don't really care where it's filmed. I'm from Canada and they've never released anything recorded here officially (as far as I know...). Do I feel offended? No. Sure one could argue that Canada is on the North American continent with U.S, so it's not that different. But I could say the same when comparing American/Canadian and European shows. For some reason everything seems to think the audiences there are SOOOO MUCH BETTERRRR. On average I'd say they're about the same. The Slane dvd had the same audience reactions to the music as the Boston dvd did, there was just a higher amount of people there. The only audience that I can really notice a difference in all of the time is the South American audience, and they're just nuts. When I see them in a bootleg dvd, I don't think "wow they're real fans" I think "wow they're having a good time". The point is, as the first guy said, the performance is what matters, not the audience.


    Couldn't have said it better myself, my fellow Canuck. (We don't really call ourselves that do we?)


  11. No , but glad to hear it anyway
  12. Originally posted by RattleandHum1988:[..]

    I believe he was talking about watching a dvd performance. I agree with him in that I buy a music dvd to watch the band, not the crowd. Sure the crowd can provide ambience and maybe help to produce that feeling of "it's just like being there", but in the end it's about how well the band performs on the recording, not the audience.

    To be honest, I don't really care where it's filmed. I'm from Canada and they've never released anything recorded here officially (as far as I know...). Do I feel offended? No. Sure one could argue that Canada is on the North American continent with U.S, so it's not that different. But I could say the same when comparing American/Canadian and European shows. For some reason everything seems to think the audiences there are SOOOO MUCH BETTERRRR. On average I'd say they're about the same. The Slane dvd had the same audience reactions to the music as the Boston dvd did, there was just a higher amount of people there. The only audience that I can really notice a difference in all of the time is the South American audience, and they're just nuts. When I see them in a bootleg dvd, I don't think "wow they're real fans" I think "wow they're having a good time". The point is, as the first guy said, the performance is what matters, not the audience.


    But again you're missing the point - precisely the point of a band & audience feeding off each other's energy. A crowd that is singing and jumping in unison is far more likely to inspire the band to the kind of performance you'd want to see on a dvd than an audience that is sitting in their chairs enjoying a beer. This has been part of the problem with the last two dvd's in particular - the stale performances have come hand in hand with quiet crowds.

    Not blaming the audience totally - the timing was very poor on the band's (or their management's part) for the Rose Bowl.

    Also the point of a concert DVD is surely to replicate a concert experience in your own living room, is it not? Can you not just watch Letterman if you want to see the band performing live in the other case?

    Btw are you really saying that the Slane crowd was only as good as the crowd from Boston - Streets anyone