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  1. Originally posted by BelgianBono:Pop mostly had good reviews and has been nr. 1 in 35 countries.
    It's only seen as a failure because America didn't like Popmart, which that lead to half-empty stadiums.


    True. I think many/most North Americans (not me and other hardcore U2 fans, however), prefer the ATYCLB and even HTDAAB over Zooropa and Pop.
  2. Originally posted by pleasegone:[..]

    I would. I've never seen the Las Vegas Popmart show. My slow computer won't download big files, and nobody has ever wanted to copy it on DVD for me, so it would be great to have. Not to mention, I have heard the Staring At The Sun Audio, and loved the electric version. The fact that they had mistakes gives the show personality. I like real concerts with mistakes included. I like normal cameras that focus on the band without shaking around like Cornish Hamilton having seizures every four seconds.



    Normally I would agree about some mistakes and not as rehearsed. However, the LV 97 show was absolutely horrible. The band was not ready to play and it is very clear. There is no way they would release that show officially and I do not think it deserves a release over something like the Rotterdam 97 show that was filmed.

    Also, Edmonton would most likely not be included either. It was a test filming that was done and the tapes were supposed to be destroyed. Someone got ahold of them and bootlegged them. I do not think the band has the full production video in their possession. They do have the nightly video feed that was archived for every single show. So Edmonton would not stand out in that regard as all they have is the standard footage they have for every single show. If they were going to use their archive footage (which I doubt they would do) there are many Popmart shows that were better than the Edmonton one IMO. Chicago 2 or either Foxboro show were better IMO.

  3. Cashtung Baby failure? Oy Vey.

    Doubtful that they would ever release Popmart Vegas. Too many issues to put out.



    Originally posted by pleasegone: Somebody started the topic on U2.com, and since they tend to delete my posts over there,
    here is my reply to the topic:

    I'd love a Pop Deluxe. I doubt it will happen. First, the sound quality of Cds from 1996 until now is not that different. They probably sounded better back then before everything got too loud.

    If they did a Pop Deluxe, after the Cashtung Baby failure, I doubt anybody consults a real true fan, so we would probably get a bunch of remixes. Now, if I was consulted, here would be the Pop Duper Looper Deluxe:

    CD 1: Original Cd remastered
    CD 2: B-sides/remixes/Hold Me Thrill Me, and MAYBE Miss Sarajevo and Your Blue Room.
    CD 3: remixes and New Mixes from the Best of 1990-2000.
    CD 4: Original Mix of the album that was scrapped
    CD 5: Demos and other alternate versions not on Cds 2-5

    DVD 1: All Videos, and TV Specials
    DVD 2: 4/25/97 Las Vegas Concert with the Staring At The Sun mess included.
    DVD 3: 06-15/97 Edmonton, Canada Concert
    DVD 4: Pick any European Pop Show Pro Shot
    DVD 5: 1/31/98 Sao Paulo, Brazil Concert...should have been the official video over Mexico City!

    Yeah, this is a pipe or should I say Pop Dream, but that's what I would give the fans if I was Cash Mcguinness. I would
    easily pay $100 or more for this. Anything over $175, and I would be crying.

    And guess what? No Fly Shades, No Lemon replicas, No Remix of I'll Go Crazy if I Don't Remix This Song Tonight...none of the typical BS that goes in these sets. I would just focus on the music.
    I am not fond of remixes, but All the ones from the period belong in this dream set. Too Bad NOBODY IS LISTENING.




  4. I think U2's original mix of the album was considered "rushed" because I bet when they went to rehearse the songs they didn't have that "oomph" you hear in others. If you notice Gone for example, they change up how they played it during the tour.

    Also, if they do this for Pop...expect Mexico City as the DVD because they don't seem to give a sh!t about what DVD they put out for a tour.
  5. Originally posted by yeah:Of course the new mixes sound more polished. It's a different mix and that's the sound they prefer these days. The whole "we were running out of time" thing only came up after it became clear that the tour would be a failure for the promoters (not the band). Before that, the band praised the whole album and concept. It's the same rhetorics they used for 360.
    I don't deny that they rushed the album a little (like with more or less every album - hence the "U2 albums don't get finished, they get released" quote) - it's just not the reason, the whole thing fell flat.


    I tend to agree on all these points.
  6. ^ me too.
  7. I really will never understand the "rushed" argument. Really, what the fuck. POP wasn't a failure because it was rushed. I totally agree with Yeah here, it was an excuse, and most fans seem to buy it.
    In fact rushed is good. In general the best albums in history are recorded in a week and the only thing I generally dislike about U2 albums, is they tend to be polished to death. Good songs simply cannot be ruined by rush.
    I dare to assume if NLOTH was released before it was ruined by the 100th take-over, extra layer of muddy mess, and 'we don't know so let's add another layer of undefined sound' it could've been way more succesful. Songs are songs, POP songs are quite strong imo, all the talk about 'rushed mixing' is just plain bull of marketing guys.
  8. Id be interested in hearing some of the other material from the Pop era that is floating around out there put on a reissue. Idk what it would be. As for.another dvd I feel like that's unnecessary. I don't really feel like the Pop show chaneged that much over the course of the tour to need another dvd even though it'd be cool. I have Zero interest in seeing Miami on a dvd
  9. A better version of Santiago as a release is something I wouldn't mind at all.
  10. Originally posted by noiseless:I really will never understand the "rushed" argument. Really, what the fuck. POP wasn't a failure because it was rushed. I totally agree with Yeah here, it was an excuse, and most fans seem to buy it.
    In fact rushed is good. In general the best albums in history are recorded in a week and the only thing I generally dislike about U2 albums, is they tend to be polished to death. Good songs simply cannot be ruined by rush.
    I dare to assume if NLOTH was released before it was ruined by the 100th take-over, extra layer of muddy mess, and 'we don't know so let's add another layer of undefined sound' it could've been way more succesful. Songs are songs, POP songs are quite strong imo, all the talk about 'rushed mixing' is just plain bull of marketing guys.


    Pop wasn't a failure because it was rushed.

    It was indeed rushed, but the real issue is that many songs on the album do not mesh well together at all. I mean, how do you have a song as moving as Please on the same album as something like The Playboy Mansion? I can't really explain it, but the album feels "confused". It tries to convey too many themes and ends up coming out as a rather bizarre mix of great songs and terrible ones. Don't get me wrong, I've got some favorites on the album, but other songs never grew on me and I still hate listening to them to this day.

    Another reason why I feel that a Pop remaster will not be created is the difference in available sound quality is not great enough to warrant it. When you compare modern acoustic technology to that available during the Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby era, there's a huge difference. With between the Pop era and now, there's no significant difference in sound quality to warrant a deluxe set.
  11. The album has good tracks but it is indeed a mess. I've stated this before but it was a failure because "other, non-U2 things" we're going on in music in 1997 that took away any excitement/momentum the album upon it's release.
  12. Originally posted by RUMMY:[..]

    True. I think many/most North Americans (not me and other hardcore U2 fans, however), prefer the ATYCLB and even HTDAAB over Zooropa and Pop.


    Actually,I prefer ATYCLB and Bomb over PoP and Zooropa anyday.I consider myself a diehard.ATYCLB and Bomb are great records.I love them.The band went back to being U2.

    ATYCLB goes well with the JT.Bomb is a complete U2 record.You have the rock tunes (Vertigo,ABOY,Love and Peace) and a fantastic anthem (COBL).Sometimes You Cant Make It On Your Own, is one of U2s best records.IMO.

    Most of the older U2 fans,at least that I know,and have met over the years,detest PoP.I got fed up with U2, by that point,by 1997.After Zooropa, I got hooked on Oasis,1994-96.Then Radiohead released OK Computer,and that was that.After waiting for 4 long years after Zooropa,the band released PoP.I was like,WFT?? Whatever.Time to blast the Bends,Morning Glory and OK Computer.

    They won me AND ALOT OF THEIR OLDER FANS back bigtime with ATYCLB.

    Also,ATYCLB and Bomb, won close to 20 Grammy Awards, and sold over 20 million combined.Not bad,for a band some feared,including me,as being done.

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