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  1. I don't personally believe in the whole "didn't promote NLOTH enough" argument and here's why.

    The tour lasted 3 years. 2009 alone technically had a lot of new songs (and even up to 5 songs from ATYCLB). How is that not promoting the new album and still having new songs!?!?!?
    the facts:
    Breathe, No Line, Boots, Magnificent, Unknown Caller, Crazy Tonight, Moment of Surrender = 7
    COBL, Vertigo = 2
    Beautiful Day, Elevation, Stuck, In a Little While, Walk On = 5

    14 songs from their most recent decade out of a 24 song set (mainly basing this off the US leg which promoted more new songs than Europe ironically)

    Fast forward to 2010. U2 had already hit Europe and the United States. We would have been COMPLAINING if the setlist had not changed! Yes, they dropped 3 of the new songs (and two of their best imo) but they did cancel that out with EQUALLY NEW SONGS (Stingray, North Star, Glastonbury) - whatever your opinions are on those songs you can't deny they were new! Glastonbury and Mercy even filling in the spot that NLOTH had in the setlist. Even then the tour was getting a "Greatest Hits" feel, is that a bad thing? Not really in my opinion! Bono just had a life and death situation! Promoting NLOTH mattered so little in perspective. NLOTH by October 2010 was already 19 months old!!

    Fast forward to 2011, or as i like to call it, The Year of Achtung. NLOTH was gone and clear out of sight still and it was time to ROCK. I welcomed the addition of the 90's songs because if you all remember in 2009 we only had up to 2 songs from Achtung in the set (think Barcelona, One and UV at the end of the setlist, gross)

    anyway, if you were touring for so long would you really still be dragging a song like BREATHE that didn't get that big of a reception when album was fresh around? I know i wouldn't, i would be playing things my audience would only DREAM about playing (Zooropa <3, The Fly, Out of Control, etc)

    but still, as U22 goes, the i would only have liked to add Unknown Caller and NLOTH but we can't always get what we want.

  2. Originally posted by Genaro92U2I don't personally believe in the whole &quot;didn't promote NLOTH enough&quot; argument and here's why.

    The tour lasted 3 years. 2009 alone technically had a lot of new songs (and even up to 5 songs from ATYCLB). How is that not promoting the new album and still having new songs!?!?!?
    the facts:
    Breathe, No Line, Boots, Magnificent, Unknown Caller, Crazy Tonight, Moment of Surrender = 7
    COBL, Vertigo = 2
    Beautiful Day, Elevation, Stuck, In a Little While, Walk On = 5

    14 songs from their most recent decade out of a 24 song set (mainly basing this off the US leg which promoted more new songs than Europe ironically)

    Fast forward to 2010. U2 had already hit Europe and the United States. We would have been COMPLAINING if the setlist had not changed! Yes, they dropped 3 of the new songs (and two of their best imo) but they did cancel that out with EQUALLY NEW SONGS (Stingray, North Star, Glastonbury) - whatever your opinions are on those songs you can't deny they were new! Glastonbury and Mercy even filling in the spot that NLOTH had in the setlist. Even then the tour was getting a &quot;Greatest Hits&quot; feel, is that a bad thing? Not really in my opinion! Bono just had a life and death situation! Promoting NLOTH mattered so little in perspective. NLOTH by October 2010 was already 19 months old!!

    Fast forward to 2011, or as i like to call it, The Year of Achtung. NLOTH was gone and clear out of sight still and it was time to ROCK. I welcomed the addition of the 90's songs because if you all remember in 2009 we only had up to 2 songs from Achtung in the set (think Barcelona, One and UV at the end of the setlist, gross)

    anyway, if you were touring for so long would you really still be dragging a song like BREATHE that didn't get that big of a reception when album was fresh around? I know i wouldn't, i would be playing things my audience would only DREAM about playing (Zooropa &lt;3, The Fly, Out of Control, etc)

    but still, as U22 goes, the i would only have liked to add Unknown Caller and NLOTH but we can't always get what we want.




    I agree with Genaro, but if i could decided wich song left out from the setlist maybe the NLOTH ´s songs weren t out.
    I think i would left out : I will follow, New years day, Sunday bloody sunday , Pride, Walk on ,One and With or without you or rotate more others like Mysteriuos ways, Until the end.., Elevation, I still ahven t found ....

    but as you say we can't always get what we want
  3. Originally posted by Genaro92U2I don't personally believe in the whole &quot;didn't promote NLOTH enough&quot; argument and here's why.

    The tour lasted 3 years. 2009 alone technically had a lot of new songs (and even up to 5 songs from ATYCLB). How is that not promoting the new album and still having new songs!?!?!?
    the facts:
    Breathe, No Line, Boots, Magnificent, Unknown Caller, Crazy Tonight, Moment of Surrender = 7
    COBL, Vertigo = 2
    Beautiful Day, Elevation, Stuck, In a Little While, Walk On = 5

    14 songs from their most recent decade out of a 24 song set (mainly basing this off the US leg which promoted more new songs than Europe ironically)

    Fast forward to 2010. U2 had already hit Europe and the United States. We would have been COMPLAINING if the setlist had not changed! Yes, they dropped 3 of the new songs (and two of their best imo) but they did cancel that out with EQUALLY NEW SONGS (Stingray, North Star, Glastonbury) - whatever your opinions are on those songs you can't deny they were new! Glastonbury and Mercy even filling in the spot that NLOTH had in the setlist. Even then the tour was getting a &quot;Greatest Hits&quot; feel, is that a bad thing? Not really in my opinion! Bono just had a life and death situation! Promoting NLOTH mattered so little in perspective. NLOTH by October 2010 was already 19 months old!!

    Fast forward to 2011, or as i like to call it, The Year of Achtung. NLOTH was gone and clear out of sight still and it was time to ROCK. I welcomed the addition of the 90's songs because if you all remember in 2009 we only had up to 2 songs from Achtung in the set (think Barcelona, One and UV at the end of the setlist, gross)

    anyway, if you were touring for so long would you really still be dragging a song like BREATHE that didn't get that big of a reception when album was fresh around? I know i wouldn't, i would be playing things my audience would only DREAM about playing (Zooropa &lt;3, The Fly, Out of Control, etc)

    but still, as U22 goes, the i would only have liked to add Unknown Caller and NLOTH but we can't always get what we want.




    You're only using the setlist as your argument. Do you not remember the band themselves saying in interviews that the album didn't do as well as they expected to? And looking back the finished product wasn't what they were hoping it would be? It's not just about playing the songs in the setlist, it's about giving the message that you believe in the songs, and to me they didn't really do that. I don't think there was any point on the Vertigo Tour when they said "this tour isn't about promoting How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb" but you can be sure that they DID say that on the 360 tour regarding NLOTH.
  4. Both tours went on for a pretty long time due to unforeseen circumstances but the 360 tour definitely had more NLOTH casualties than The Vertigo Tour had with respect to HTDAAB. The Vertigo Tour did see them drop a few Bomb songs like All Because of You and Miracle Drug but it did eventually have songs like Window in the Skies and "Saints" to replace them.
  5. Yeah I do remember the band stating their displeasure with the album. It happens though, not every album they make is going to be a success. that reflects in the setlists imo.

    a different example would be the last leg of the Vertigo Tour didn't have as many Bomb songs (maybe on the South American Leg?). I think its fine, touring for albums kind of has an expiration date i think. Even back as Zoo TV when Achtung turned over a year old it got dropped for Zooropa tunes. same with post-09 360. After a certain amount of time touring the album gets pointless. Think, Elevation, Vertigo, 360 and even Joshua Tree tours.

    the original premise of touring was to sell albums but that isn't necessarily valid now in the age of digital downloads, youtube, and the 21st century D:

    *but for U22 it would have been nice to have all 7 of the new songs, that's what i voted for *
  6. Originally posted by RUMMY:Heck, they didn't give up on Mofo and the stadiums were half-empty in some places in 1997. I guess one could argue that by 2010 they were no longer trying to sell NLOTH.


    I think the stadiums were half empty for reasons that were unrelated to Mofo...

    But casualties on HTDAAB? I would hardly say that. HTDAAB has a huge showing throughout the Vertigo Tour. In fact, every song the album except One Step Closer and A Man And A Woman were performed live during the Vertigo Tour. I personally see the reason they dropped some of their HTDAAB staples towards the end of the tour not because those songs were weak because there was no indication that they were. I personally believe the band chose to take the opportunity of them being on the road and their album being a huge success to have some fun with things. That's were we see WGRYRH, The First Time, Kite, Windows In The Skies, All I Want Is You, and all kinds of setlist mix-ups occur.

    The sign of a real casualty is when the song the band has chosen to open the set gets dropped out of the official concert film release. The rather unceremonious cutting of Breathe from the Rose Bowl DVD was the first sign I got of the album not doing as well as anticipated...
  7. ^^agree on the Bomb thing, U218 came in and took out Alll Because and Yahweh for Window & Saints. not because bomb was weak.

    wasn't Breathe taken out because of the lower quality video it was shot in? i remember when you look at it on the Blu Ray it looks like it's in significantly lower quality than the rest of the show because the cameras malfunctioned?
  8. Originally posted by Genaro92U2:^^agree on the Bomb thing, U218 came in and took out Alll Because and Yahweh for Window &amp; Saints. not because bomb was weak.

    wasn't Breathe taken out because of the lower quality video it was shot in? i remember when you look at it on the Blu Ray it looks like it's in significantly lower quality than the rest of the show because the cameras malfunctioned?

    I dunno about the whole low-quality thing, but I was watching the show live on the YouTube stream, and unless they managed to get some killer angles of the crowd going wild from some other song to transplant into Breathe, the song left much to be desired, especially as an opener...
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  12. Originally posted by Genaro92U2:^^agree on the Bomb thing, U218 came in and took out Alll Because and Yahweh for Window & Saints. not because bomb was weak.

    wasn't Breathe taken out because of the lower quality video it was shot in? i remember when you look at it on the Blu Ray it looks like it's in significantly lower quality than the rest of the show because the cameras malfunctioned?

    As we all know,Atomic Bomb was a massive succes.Selling millions,and winning a number of Grammys.The tour was supposed to end in April of 2006.But,I believe Edges daughter became ill,the spring shows were cancelled and added towards the end of '06.By that time,U218 was released and a few of Atomic Bombs songs were dropped,and Saints and Window were added.

    By the 3rd leg of '05,the band actually added songs from Atomic Bomb.At my MSG shows that fall (10.07.05),Crumbs From Your Table and Fast Cars were added,and the rest of the Atomic Bomb tunes (as well as Miracle Drug) were played as well.

    Atomic Bomb was a very strong release by the band.That is a fact.Horizon on the other hand,was a failure.The band did a decent job promoting Horizon,at first,it just didnt take off.They played for a week on Letterman,but then,they disappeared.Think about that,most of March,April, May and all of June (save the last day) the band had no shows.

    Starting the Stadium only, 360 tour a full 4 months after the release was a mistake.Horizon was already sinking badly on the charts.That would have been like starting the PoP tour in July of 1997,instead of April 1997.They could have started 360 tour in early April 2009 in America.Play shows until mid June in America.Then,kick off the European tour in Barcelona,06.30.09.

    In 2009,the year Horizon was released,the band played only 44 shows,over 2 legs,for the entire year.Thats like,half a tour.

    In 2005,the year Atomic Bomb was released,the band played 110 shows over 3 legs.

    Even PoP,in 1997,another stadium only tour, saw 3 Legs and 78 gigs throughout the year.Thats a better comparison to 360,then Vertigo '05,since 2 US legs were in arenas.

    If Horizon was stronger,it could have stood on its own,but it died a quick death.It didnt help having Boots as the first single.Crazy or Magnificent would have been a better choice.

    All Im saying is,if the band had started the tour in April,instead of almost July 2009,and made a better choice of the lead single,Horizon might have done a bit better on the charts.Clearly all speculation here....
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