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  1. So... How many of those illegal guns that the criminals use were legal at some point? Maybe sold to some kind of dealer. What do you think Aaron?
  2. Heavily debated how many started out legal. Tricky to really do a study on, since most illegal guns have been "sterilized" meaning had the serial number and other identifying features removed.

    Also well not actually related, its interesting to note that once a illegal gun has a few crimes hooked to it, it tends to float around the criminal world, since no one wants it on them if they get busted. Like I said, not really related but fascinating.
  3. I'd guess that most illegal guns were legally manufactured and legally sold at the start of their lives.

  4. What you fail to realize is me (and most pro-gun people) are in favor of cracking down on illegal guns.

  5. No, I think you're failing to realize what I'm getting at. If the illegal guns were legal at some point, delegalizing guns would help against illegal guns too. Because less legal guns that could "turn" illegal would be made. I think making guns illegally would be pretty hard in the US, so then you'd have smuggling which would be hard too and kick the prices up. Lesser availability would also kick the prices up. So there'd be fewer illegal guns to get, and they would be more expensive. Sounds like it'd be less tempting to get an illegal gun.
  6. Originally posted by Mr_Trek:[..]

    No, I think you're failing to realize what I'm getting at. If the illegal guns were legal at some point, delegalizing guns would help against illegal guns too. Because less legal guns that could "turn" illegal would be made. I think making guns illegally would be pretty hard in the US, so then you'd have smuggling which would be hard too and kick the prices up. Lesser availability would also kick the prices up. So there'd be fewer illegal guns to get, and they would be more expensive. Sounds like it'd be less tempting to get an illegal gun.

    You ever hear of prohibition? Didn't work so well last I checked.

    In any case this is an American issue. Remember one of the reasons the U.S. exist as a country is because Europeans had an issue with our guns.
  7. You can take my guns when you pry them from my cold dead fingers.

  8. I have and comparing it to gun control seems pretty stupid, quite different issues.

  9. Not really that different at all.
  10. Your missing something big anyway: Enforcement. The vast majority of cops in the U.S. are in fact pro-gun. So are the members of the military, although to use them for the purpose of law enforcement would violate the posse comitatus act.
  11. Aaron I always see you and others (such as the link you posted a few posts back) say that gun control will not work by comparing it to drug or alcohol control. That really doesn't make sense.
    Just because you failed at something doesn't mean you should stop trying. By that logic you should not go to war ever again, because, how well did the last few wars work out for you?
    To me, the bottom line is that gun control has worked in other countries. Doesn't matter if firearms are evil or not, or why the 2nd amendment is there, or whether assault rifles are easily accessible, or anything else...the fact is that other countries that have gun control have had better results.

    Hell, even here, in Iran, where the government is messed up and there is corruption everywhere. We still don't have random shootings by civilians on civilians. And I'm pretty sure that a larger percentage of people here are either evil or so much under pressure by economic and political difficulties that they could lose their mind any second.

    Altho I do understand that control might not work in the US, as there is a different culture and view on things in there and it might have different results.
  12. What the left always forgets is we have more privatly owned guns to start with than those other countrys did, and confiscating them would be tricky due to reasons I already listed.
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