2015-06-12 - Montreal
Tour: Innocence and Experience tour
Songs played: 25
Audio recordings: 1
  1. Originally posted by Bloodraven:[..]
    A couple of weeks ago, there was this interview (now I don't remember where), when they talked about the i-stage as "home" and the e-stage as "the world", the catwalk being the journey from home to the world.

    The Wanderer (I went out there in search of experience, to taste and to touch and to feel as much as a man can before he repents) + Invisible (there is no them, there's only us) right after the end of innocence and right before they reach "the world", makes a lot of sense.

    And the whole sequence of Wave-Bullet-Hands-Pride and even #19-WOWY makes total sense in the narrative.

    The only part that seems forced -but still makes sense to me- is the part where they are experiencing and enjoying "the world" (aka the e-stage), that's #12 - #15.

    But again, I think it all makes sense as a concept show.
    Even with those hits though, to me there are better songs that could fit what they're trying to get across, and more importantly it's not at all explicit to the point where I'm not sure what you're saying is true. No disrespect, I love your theory and it made me look at the set in a new light, but I'm not convinced.

    In the first half, Bono talks to the crowd. "Let me take you back to where we grew up, to the North Side of Dublin". The sequence of songs even from before he says that basically takes you through their earliest stuff and then later stuff but dealing with earlier problems (Raised by Wolves, SBS). To me, if the Wanderer is meant to separate the Innocence and Experience thing, they would mention something about wandering out into the world the way they did. They should play Bad every single night, because it directly related to Wolves, and it was also the song that brought them fame. They should talk about reinvention and all that sort of stuff, and that should all be the "in between" of Innocence and Experience. The Experience part should be songs like Still Haven't Found, When I Look at the World, etc. Instead they're just playing the Wanderer and hit after hit. Bullet the Blue Sky is PERFECT for that Experience thing, but it's surrounded by songs that don't compliment that theme at all.

    And one of the most important things? They're not using the screen at ALL in the second half. All of the cool stuff they use it for early on seems wasted in the second half. They should continue to use it to tell a story throughout the entire show. Instead it's just close-ups of the band and the live stream thing (which I do like).

    P.S - apart from the obvious Achtung Baby connection, why the hell are they using the Berlin Wall as a piece of imagery? I fully expected them to come out after that went up playing One and talking about the struggles they had in Berlin. That would make a lot more sense.
  2. Well... it makes sense to me. I really can see the connection in there.

    I agree on the screen being underused in the second half, though. If I'm gonna dream with something, then it's that they're planning to use it with songs of experience. (A dream as possible as insisting on ASOH, Acrobat, OTH and Pop ).

    I guess when I look at a painting, I try to understand what the artist is trying to say, what's the meaning behind using a red square and a blue circle -because I like to assume that there IS a reason behind it, instead of just saying "ugh, he always paints red squares! I think he should've used a yellow triangle and a little house instead, it would've looked a lot better!".
  3. Yeah my whole problem with this whole thing is that I'm not going to these shows to see a story half-told. I'm not going to them to see a whole story told either, to be honest.

    If you ditch the theme, it gives you an infinite amount of space to change things up and really experiment, which is something they practically promised us they'd be doing with fucking five-night stays in some cities.

    I frankly don't care to feel "closer to Bono" because he walks through a screen during Cedarwood Road and then someone drew out what his bedroom looked like for "Song For Someone," and I don't think i get a better sense of the story of the songs because they do that. Just play the songs! The great thing about them (particularly SFS, in my own personal case) is that people can make them mean whatever they want to themselves. The songs are strong. Some of them are even powerful. I think it actually detracts from the impact to hone them into such specific realizations, because it draws away from what I could be experiencing myself when they play that song.
  4. Originally posted by MattG:Yeah my whole problem with this whole thing is that I'm not going to these shows to see a story half-told. I'm not going to them to see a whole story told either, to be honest.

    If you ditch the theme, it gives you an infinite amount of space to change things up and really experiment, which is something they practically promised us they'd be doing with fucking five-night stays in some cities.

    I frankly don't care to feel "closer to Bono" because he walks through a screen during Cedarwood Road and then someone drew out what his bedroom looked like for "Song For Someone," and I don't think i get a better sense of the story of the songs because they do that. Just play the songs! The great thing about them (particularly SFS, in my own personal case) is that people can make them mean whatever they want to themselves. The songs are strong. Some of them are even powerful. I think it actually detracts from the impact to hone them into such specific realizations, because it draws away from what I could be experiencing myself when they play that song.
    I think where we differ there is that I really loved how this album was very personal for them, and mainly Bono. I like a U2 album that is very specific about their lives for a change, it made for some really interesting music and lyrics. On top of that, I actually loved the animation and art and how it's all woven together.

    Regarding a more free show and less of a concept thing, that's a different thing altogether. I guess what I'm trying to reiterate is, either do the whole like that explicitly or don't do any of it and that way we could see more varied shows night after night. I do have to wonder if the show looked completely different when they booked the shows. As you said, why would they book 5 nights in a city only to play nearly the same set every night?

    On the same note, I saw The Wall show more than once and was never bored by the setlist. You go for the show and the extravaganza, which I definitely think U2 could pull off if they did an entire show with a story.
  5. You all make valid points. I'm fortunate enough to have seen U2 at all stages, and, at the end of the day am just happy to see them play, whatever they decide to play. Heck... I would love to see a full of just the Joshua Tree b-sides! That being said... As many shows as I've seen, there are a few songs, as good as they may be, that it wouldn't bother me if the dropped out for good and made room for something else.

    I do love the entire concept, and I see where you're coming from Bloodraven, MattG, and RattleandHum1988... I just think they could still utilize the hits and nail the experience portion home a little better with a different selection of songs...
  6. IRT Alex:

    I agree with all of that...I think it's important to draw back to your original comment - either do it all, or don't do it at all.

    Can't absorb myself into a storyline about Cedarwood Road and "a song written for Allison Stewart" when fifteen minutes later I'm in a danceclub with Even Better Than the Real Thing. If there's a narrative, and somehow we end up in that club, and I immerse myself in the entire experience...I might feel differently.

    Because I agree - I saw The Wall and was captivated the whole time. Roger didn't bounce back to Dark Side of the Moon and Animals mid-show - he let you sink into the show and forget you're even at a concert...it's a whole experience.
  7. Originally posted by ahn1991:Basically LA 3 but swap I Still Haven't Found with 40. I really don't know why people are so bummed out about Elevation. It's a great song with high energy that I thought would be in rotation with the first 4. I also think it's the only song to work with the whole live stream thing. Every other song that has been put there felt super awkward.

    And stuck is a pretty good song as well. People are just mad that it took ATYCLB to pull U2 out of the hole Pop put them in.


    Elevation doesn't work on the e-stage. Needs more power.
    Plus : we've heard Elevation and Stuck a million times already.
  8. ^ Agreed.
  9. And about going outdoors : (even) bigger screen.
    Problem solved.
  10. And about the Pop/ATYCLB discussions and the narrative of I+E.
    Been there, done that, meh.
    It's not gonna change.
  11. a bigger screen a different set up?? because if they were going outdoors, then where would they hang the stage..?
  12. Originally posted by MattG:IRT Alex:

    I agree with all of that...I think it's important to draw back to your original comment - either do it all, or don't do it at all.

    Can't absorb myself into a storyline about Cedarwood Road and "a song written for Allison Stewart" when fifteen minutes later I'm in a danceclub with Even Better Than the Real Thing. If there's a narrative, and somehow we end up in that club, and I immerse myself in the entire experience...I might feel differently.

    Because I agree - I saw The Wall and was captivated the whole time. Roger didn't bounce back to Dark Side of the Moon and Animals mid-show - he let you sink into the show and forget you're even at a concert...it's a whole experience.
    That's exactly right.