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  1. ...yes, but covering "expenses" is something else than covering "time." The latter can in fact be held as a covert definition of "work."
  2. And I would imagine there's no set limit. "Oh I'll stop taking orders once I reach $660. That was a fair number."

    I also feel strongly there's a big component for the before/after. If you make an agreement with somebody for the show, then they share the risk and occupational hazard that is taping. If they're paying after the show...then you're hustling a product.

    So I know I won't change your mind olli66, but I would argue there is a significant difference.


  3. I may disagree with olli66 on the selling front, but we do share a similar ethic in a certain zeal for putting in the time. Doing proper mixes like the one I do take quite a bit more time than the releases in the BigGirl Bootleg Corner! So generally speaking, I'll stick to mixing my own recordings. I may release some...after the tour is completely over. We'll see.
  4. Hey. I'm all for capitalism. If someone can afford to fly you in, buy you a ticket, and on top of the that, sign a waiver of responsibilty to go down with the ship with you, that's awesome. More power to them... and to you. Just out of curiosity... What is the end product? I've spent enough on boots in the 80's that coulda put one of my kids through college. But they were living, breathing, tangible things back then. Colored vinyl, deluxe gatefold covers...

    I'm not being critical, as I said, I'm all about capitalizing and being paid for services provided, but I am genuinely curious of what the end product is...
  5. End product for olli66 is a multicam recording of a show, either on dvd or blu-ray. And I'm assuming, if he gets enough sources, a 4K multicam.

    Mine is an audio recording that attempts to rival soundboard official releases. Depends on a number of factors, but that's the target end product.

    "Living, breathing, tangible things." You're just talking about the delivery medium. Some people emphasize that. I'm far more interested in the actual quality of the audio.
  6. Originally posted by hoserama:End product for olli66 is a multicam recording of a show, either on dvd or blu-ray. And I'm assuming, if he gets enough sources, a 4K multicam.

    Mine is an audio recording that attempts to rival soundboard official releases. Depends on a number of factors, but that's the target end product.

    "Living, breathing, tangible things." You're just talking about the delivery medium. Some people emphasize that. I'm far more interested in the actual quality of the audio.
    Yes. Of course audio is important. My thoughts are if I'm paying all expenses, plus recording, plus sharing risk I want something more than a file to remember the experience. That's why I was curious...

    Maybe I'm just older than dirt school, I dunno. But I would never pay a photographer to take all digital pictures and then just send me a thumb drive with content either...

    Forgive me for prying, and please don't feel offended. Not my intention. Just genuine curiosity...
  7. Not a problem. It wouldn't be worth it for you, and likely wouldn't be worth it for you to spend all the time and money to buy/use the equipment. To each their own.

    For me, the audio is the reason I'm in this. So I try to do the best with the sound quality.
  8. Originally posted by hoserama:Not a problem. It wouldn't be worth it for you, and likely wouldn't be worth it for you to spend all the time and money to buy/use the equipment. To each their own.

    For me, the audio is the reason I'm in this. So I try to do the best with the sound quality.
    GOt it. Thanks for enlightenment...
  9. I think there is also romance in the not-near-perfect recordings. The fact that you have to use your imagination, stuff like that. Of course, I also loved the coloured vinyl (and luckily I have some coloured cd's that in time I can send to blueeyedboy, without charge of course) but the thing is that I believe that audience recordings are not meant to make a profit.
    One day I will send you a physical product beb...just for old- skool sake!
  10. I don't know what you do for a living hoserama but going to as many shows as you do, taping them all and releasing some of them and taking days to mix them you must be either born rich or must have a hell of a day job with insane pay and lots of free time
    I don't know any person in my surroundings that could live from his/her dayjob and go to as many shows like I do and spent so much time on mixing/mastering shows like I do. well, either you are born rich, you have that hell of a dayjob, no friends and/or other interests and hence much more time or you do it like me with the support of others.
    me, I am grateful to have this support and be able to spend so much time and money on my releases
    and thing is, see all the other multicam mixes out there and none comes close to mine and none these days gets half the downloads like mine
    quite a few of my dvds even get more downloads than the propably best audio recordings (your St Louis Mix for example)
    it's not the fact alone that I know what I do but I invest propably a hundred hours more in my video releases than anyone else - I can do that with the help of others - win win no? ;-)
  11. I hate soundboards or IEMs or perfects audios... Audiences are raw, have more spirit, soundboards are too polished... Official releases to me just counts as video footage and rare songs performances (like on U22 that we have One Tree Hill and Zooropa)
  12. Originally posted by BigGiRL:I think there is also romance in the not-near-perfect recordings. The fact that you have to use your imagination, stuff like that. Of course, I also loved the coloured vinyl (and luckily I have some coloured cd's that in time I can send to blueeyedboy, without charge of course) but the thing is that I believe that audience recordings are not meant to make a profit.
    One day I will send you a physical product beb...just for old- skool sake!
    There is no them!

    The romance in the not-near-perfect recordings, to me, (for U2 anyway) is that I know that it's a labor of love by one fan to share the experience with another who cannot be at that particular show. That just seems to be how the U2 community has always been... United. Kinda like I have never met a U2 fan with an extra ticket that tried to gouge the price for resale...

    And thanks... I actually enjoy dabbling around and creating my own covers, sometimes... Although looking at some of yours, they're hard to pass up!
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