1. I think the fact America chose trump over Hilary proves they're not idiots. That's the peaceful way that a large chunk of your population have chosen to protest at the political system in America and unlike the people causing havoc out in the streets just now the actually managed to achieve something. You can disagree with Trump all you like but he connected with people not just because of his views but because he was straight talking and not afraid of the negative headlines like most politicians tip toeing around things. Does anyone even know what Hilary's views are or what her plans were? Even if she said it you couldn't believe it, funnily enough I don't believe Trump to an extent as well, I don't think his views are as extreme as he made out, but he wanted to come across that way to get people's attention and it worked. So instead of criticising people for voting trump why aren't people asking themselves why Hilary didn't do enough to convince people to vote her. Maybe if she made the same effort as trump she might have got somewhere.
  2. Originally posted by ahn1991:People who disliked both candidates, but somehow came to the conclusion that Trump was the better of the two, are fucking idiots.
    That's a bit harsh. People have a right to opinion and political standpoints. I'm no idiot, and I completely prefer Trump to Hillary. I can't see how anyone finds her any better than Trump. Trump runs his mouth but he's generally honest. Hillary is a liar and a should-be felon.

    In the end it's ideology, I think. Hillary could have kicked a puppy on live television and people who aligned with her still would have voted for her.
  3. Originally posted by thefly108:[..]
    That's a bit harsh. People have a right to opinion and political standpoints. I'm no idiot, and I completely prefer Trump to Hillary. I can't see how anyone finds her any better than Trump. Trump runs his mouth but he's generally honest. Hillary is a liar and a should-be felon.

    In the end it's ideology, I think. Hillary could have kicked a puppy on live television and people who aligned with her still would have voted for her.
    If by "honest" you mean a liar and a bigot, yes, he is. He has been caught in more than 150 lies in his campaign. Politifact never had a politician or anyone running from office telling more lies than Donald Trump. Hillary is ranked 2nd in honesty and true statements, just below Obama and above Bernie Sanders. Just before the election Trump said that Obama yelled at a protester while the contrary was true and everyone saw it on television. Why does he tell all this fragrant lies that can be easily debunked? Because his supporters don't care about fact checking.

    The last statement cannot be further from the truth. All that it took was the FBI to say the magic word "emails" and many of her supporters changed their vote to an incompetent, racist billionaire that stiffs his workers.

    I cannot comprehend why you call her a "should-be felon". Not even the ultra-Republican, politicized FBI could find any charge against her. More money and time than in 9/11 has been spent on witch hunts by Republicans and their result is always the same: nothing. You know who is going to be a felon pretty soon? Chris Christie, Trump's close associate.
  4. Originally posted by thefly108:[..]
    That's a bit harsh. People have a right to opinion and political standpoints. I'm no idiot, and I completely prefer Trump to Hillary. I can't see how anyone finds her any better than Trump. Trump runs his mouth but he's generally honest. Hillary is a liar and a should-be felon.

    In the end it's ideology, I think. Hillary could have kicked a puppy on live television and people who aligned with her still would have voted for her.
    LOL.

    From your profile it says you're 16, so I'll give you a pass
  5. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:[..]
    If by "honest" you mean a liar and a bigot, yes, he is. He has been caught in more than 150 lies in his campaign. Politifact never had a politician or anyone running from office telling more lies than Donald Trump. Hillary is ranked 2nd in honesty and true statements, just below Obama and above Bernie Sanders. Just before the election Trump said that Obama yelled at a protester while the contrary was true and everyone saw it on television. Why does he tell all this fragrant lies that can be easily debunked? Because his supporters don't care about fact checking.

    The last statement cannot be further from the truth. All that it took was the FBI to say the magic word "emails" and many of her supporters changed their vote to an incompetent, racist billionaire that stiffs his workers.

    I cannot comprehend why you call her a "should-be felon". Not even the ultra-Republican, politicized FBI could find any charge against her. More money and time than in 9/11 has been spent on witch hunts by Republicans and their result is always the same: nothing. You know who is going to be a felon pretty soon? Chris Christie, Trump's close associate.
    First of all, Politifact swings left. It's not neutral, because almost nothing politically critical can be. Here's a glimpse: http://townhall.com/columnists/brentbozell/2016/06/29/the-liberal-tilt-at-politifact-n2185076

    Trump is an extremely unlikeable person, but likability is not why I personally prefer him. Calling him a bigot on the grounds of racism needs its own fact checking. I'll cite directly from his website:
    Suspend, on a temporary basis, immigration from some of the most dangerous and volatile regions of the world that have a history of exporting terrorism.
    Move criminal aliens out day one, in joint operations with local, state, and federal law enforcement. We will terminate the Obama administration’s deadly, non-enforcement policies that allow thousands of criminal aliens to freely roam our streets.
    These statements, regardless of anything he's said verbally, indicate to me that he has no problem with and holds nothing against the general population of Muslims/Hispanics/Mexicans, etc. and aims to eliminate criminals and terrorists.

    However, I'll replace my statement "generally honest" with "blunt." He says what he means. That being said, I still can't see how Hillary can be written off as honest. The email scandal, Whitewater, Benghazi...that's to name a few of the 20+ scandals she's been involved in, some dealing with mysterious deaths or her perverted husband that she defends (who, I might add, is no less disrespectful to women than as people pin Trump to be).

    Oh, and Comey on Clinton, from fbi.gov:
    I have so far used the singular term, “e-mail server,” in describing the referral that began our investigation. It turns out to have been more complicated than that. Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain. As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways. Piecing all of that back together—to gain as full an understanding as possible of the ways in which personal e-mail was used for government work—has been a painstaking undertaking, requiring thousands of hours of effort.
    This blasts "second place for honestly" by itself. And this doesn't help:
    The Clintons have been accused of hiring private investigators to not only dig up dirt on perceived adversaries – such as Juanita Broaddrick, the woman allegedly raped by Bill, and other abused women such as Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones – but to stalk, scare and threaten them. Willey asserts Hillary was behind a campaign of intimidation and harassment against her that fit a pattern employed against numerous other women whose claims of sexual impropriety or assault by Bill Clinton threatened the couple’s political fortunes
    Here's a better list of some similar cases: http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/meet-bill-clintons-accusers/
    And most of the accusers seem to say honest Hillary intimidated them into silence.
  6. Originally posted by thefly108:[..]
    First of all, Politifact swings left. It's not neutral, because almost nothing politically critical can be. Here's a glimpse: http://townhall.com/columnists/brentbozell/2016/06/29/the-liberal-tilt-at-politifact-n2185076

    Trump is an extremely unlikeable person, but likability is not why I personally prefer him. Calling him a bigot on the grounds of racism needs its own fact checking. I'll cite directly from his website:
    [..]
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    These statements, regardless of anything he's said verbally, indicate to me that he has no problem with and holds nothing against the general population of Muslims/Hispanics/Mexicans, etc. and aims to eliminate criminals and terrorists.

    However, I'll replace my statement "generally honest" with "blunt." He says what he means. That being said, I still can't see how Hillary can be written off as honest. The email scandal, Whitewater, Benghazi...that's to name a few of the 20+ scandals she's been involved in, some dealing with mysterious deaths or her perverted husband that she defends (who, I might add, is no less disrespectful to women than as people pin Trump to be).

    Oh, and Comey on Clinton, from fbi.gov:
    [..]
    This blasts "second place for honestly" by itself. And this doesn't help:
    [..]
    Here's a better list of some similar cases: http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/meet-bill-clintons-accusers/
    And most of the accusers seem to say honest Hillary intimidated them into silence.
    Dude, using the Daily Caller for references is like using Breitbart and a 9/11 truther site for a professional paper.
    All those "scandals" you're saying, those "mysterious deaths" (there are not) have been long debunked.
    You're bringing stuff directly from Trump's website. That's not exactly an unbiased reference for what Trump says.
    We all heard when he said he wanted to ban all muslims from the US. Then he chickened and switched to "extreme vetting" whatever the hell that is. There is already extreme vetting for all immigrants.
    We all heard when he said all mexicans bring drugs and are rapists. He didn't say "illegals". He said mexicans. All of us.
    Not to mention he never disavows his KKK endorsement, he retweets anti-semitic memes, he called the "alt-right" (an euphemism for white supremacists) to be his closest associates.
    But it's hard to keep track what he wants because one day he says one thing, the other day he contradicts himself. Hell, he contradicts himself in the next paragraph.
  7. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:[..]
    Dude, using the Daily Caller for references is like using Breitbart and a 9/11 truther site for a professional paper.
    All those "scandals" you're saying, those "mysterious deaths" (there are not) have been long debunked.
    You're bringing stuff directly from Trump's website. That's not exactly an unbiased reference for what Trump says.
    We all heard when he said he wanted to ban all muslims from the US. Then he chickened and switched to "extreme vetting" whatever the hell that is. There is already extreme vetting for all immigrants.
    We all heard when he said all mexicans bring drugs and are rapists. He didn't say "illegals". He said mexicans. All of us.
    Not to mention he never disavows his KKK endorsement, he retweets anti-semitic memes, he called the "alt-right" (an euphemism for white supremacists) to be his closest associates.
    But it's hard to keep track what he wants because one day he says one thing, the other day he contradicts himself. Hell, he contradicts himself in the next paragraph.
    1. Breitbart's CEO Steve O'Bannon will probably be the new WH chief of staff. That is a legitimate thing, by its high probability alone.

    2. The Clinton dead body trail is far from debunked ESPECIALLY involving Seth Rich.

    3. He didn't. Watch the full speech.

    4. He rebuked David Duke three times.

    5. He never defined the "Alt-right" as his close associates.

    You are just salty because you lost.
    If you hate him, protest or support people in office who will oppose him. That is your right, but accept it. Donald Trump is now our president-elect.
  8. Originally posted by Macphistfly:[..]
    1. Breitbart's CEO Steve O'Bannon will probably be the new WH chief of staff. That is a legitimate thing, by its high probability alone.

    2. The Clinton dead body trail is far from debunked ESPECIALLY involving Seth Rich.

    3. He didn't. Watch the full speech.

    4. He rebuked David Duke three times.

    5. He never defined the "Alt-right" as his close associates.

    You are just salty because you lost.
    If you hate him, protest or support people in office who will oppose him. That is your right, but accept it. Donald Trump is now our president-elect.
    Good points made
  9. Looking back on some of the posts it looks like you guys are arguing over which person is worse. Im not sure that anyone really could know for sure
  10. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:[..]
    Dude, using the Daily Caller for references is like using Breitbart and a 9/11 truther site for a professional paper.
    All those "scandals" you're saying, those "mysterious deaths" (there are not) have been long debunked.
    You're bringing stuff directly from Trump's website. That's not exactly an unbiased reference for what Trump says.
    We all heard when he said he wanted to ban all muslims from the US. Then he chickened and switched to "extreme vetting" whatever the hell that is. There is already extreme vetting for all immigrants.
    We all heard when he said all mexicans bring drugs and are rapists. He didn't say "illegals". He said mexicans. All of us.
    Not to mention he never disavows his KKK endorsement, he retweets anti-semitic memes, he called the "alt-right" (an euphemism for white supremacists) to be his closest associates.
    But it's hard to keep track what he wants because one day he says one thing, the other day he contradicts himself. Hell, he contradicts himself in the next paragraph.
    Hillary said the same thins about mexicans. I don't have the time to link it, but you can find the video on youtube...
  11. Originally posted by Guenther:[..]
    Hillary said the same thins about [M]exicans. I don't have the time to link it, but you can find the video on youtube...
    No, you should provide the source for your claim yourself!

    Too many hoaxes and fake news articles around. Discussions are fine (and encouraged), but this is not just another FB you know!