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  1. Originally posted by bpt3:[..]
    Just because I love this topic, I'll add that I agree that they are not at odds with each other. For me as a Christian who loves to debate these things, the problems come when either:

    1. Fundamentalist Christians insist that Genesis and other places that discuss creation in Scripture must be taken "literally" as actual scientific information, thereby discounting the massive evidence for evolution...

    or

    2. Atheists assume that this is the way all Christians read Scripture, and therefore discount the Bible and faith altogether because they assume it's anti-science.

    To bring this back to politics, this is where VP-elect Mike Pence's views on evolution and other scientific topics that clash with his brand of faith worry me.
    my opinion is science is just catching up to the word of god, the universe is to neatly made to come about by chance, not rando at all. As far as we know from scientific measurement's the universe operates according to unchanging laws, which inevitably create the conditions for life. Supernova are absolutely essential to life. It is only in supernova that heavy elements such as uranium, gold, silver, iodine any many other's are created. If there was no supernova there would be no life. The radioactivity of uranium is essential to maintaining our atmosphere and recycling the Earths crust. Uranium is only created in supernova. Again it does not seem random. TO ME it appears evidence of brilliant design, the design from G**.

    Do random processes occur in the universe ,of course they do but,,, even the level of randomness is exchanged in a beautiful way so that life can be exchanged. There is uncertainty inherent is a required property for things like hydrogen bonding and many other absolutely essential physical processes.

    The beginning of the universe was not an explosion. It was a creation. An explosion involves already existent matter going through a reaction of some sort. The big bang was not an explosion it was a creation from nothing that nothing was created by what i believe. I Don't care if people Don't believe me. its just My opinion based on research.
  2. This is not a thread about religious beliefs. Stay on topic.
  4. Back to Politics, I can't believe no one here has mentioned the fact that Trump is appointing the worst possible people for White House jobs. White supremacists, a lawyer that was declared too racist to be a judge is going to be Attorney General and Betsy DeVos, whose only qualification is that she gave a shit ton of money to the Trump campaign is going to be Secretary of Education. She's an anti-public education advocate and tax-payer money is going to fund religious schools. Separation of church and school and state is kind of a big deal.

    There's a big difference between appointing bigots and right-wing nuts to positions where they can make official policies and being friends with Al Sharpton or Jeremiah Wright. Besides, Obama quickly denounced whatever stupid statements came from them. He even gave the speech A More Perfect Union to separate himself from Wright's remarks. Obama also quit his church. Trump, on the other hand, makes a lame, half-assed attempt to disavow his white supremacist followers... only to give them jobs of first order at the White House.
  5. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:Back to Politics, I can't believe no one here has mentioned the fact that Trump is appointing the worst possible people for White House jobs. White supremacists, a lawyer that was declared too racist to be a judge is going to be Attorney General and Betsy DeVos, whose only qualification is that she gave a shit ton of money to the Trump campaign is going to be Secretary of Education. She's an anti-public education advocate and tax-payer money is going to fund religious schools. Separation of church and school and state is kind of a big deal.

    There's a big difference between appointing bigots and right-wing nuts to positions where they can make official policies and being friends with Al Sharpton or Jeremiah Wright. Besides, Obama quickly denounced whatever stupid statements came from them. He even gave the speech A More Perfect Union to separate himself from Wright's remarks. Obama also quit his church. Trump, on the other hand, makes a lame, half-assed attempt to disavow his white supremacist followers... only to give them jobs of first order at the White House.
    He speaks his mind and isn't politically correct, so this is all okay.
  6. Every day I wake up, I get so much more ashamed of my country.
  7. That a born-rich billionaire (with a long history of tax evasion, shady charity foundations and not paying his workers) can say with a straight face that the "ellites" in the media need to be defeated and that he can understand what the middle and lower classes are going through makes me sick to my stomach...

    Nothing against being a billionaire. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have done so much humanitarian work. Trump is just a con.
  8. google rothchild!
  10. Originally posted by cesar_garza01:[..]
    That a born-rich billionaire (with a long history of tax evasion, shady charity foundations and not paying his workers) can say with a straight face that the "ellites" in the media need to be defeated and that he can understand what the middle and lower classes are going through makes me sick to my stomach...
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    Nothing against being a billionaire. Bill Gates and Warren Buffer have done so much humanitarian work. Trump is just a con.
    Thats pretty much every politician unfortunetly. You have to be rich and well connected. Not really a man of the people
  11. Originally posted by amansman:[..]
    Thats pretty much every politician unfortunetly. You have to be rich and well connected. Not really a man of the people
    Not Obama.
  12. Originally posted by ahn1991:[..]
    The Israel/Palestine debate is probably even more hotly contested than the Trump/Hillary controversy ever will be. I feel for most people, the side they fall on depends on who shows up in a headline on any given day. At this point, the wrongs both sides have committed pretty much invalidates whatever historical context instigated this dispute.


    I agree. This article to me just kind of made me laugh.
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