The Politics Thread (closed again)

Originally posted by amansman:[..]
In the real world most employers want experience over college degrees. Thats why so many graduates cant find jobs.

Originally posted by ahn1991:[..]
You do realize you are saying that relevant experience is not important when applying for a job, right? If you don't understand this basic concept there's really no point in having this conversation.

Also, my comment regarding Trump's main support demographic is statistically accurate. Go ahead and check all the polls. As to why these people would support Trump, it's quite easy to deduce that when you think about it. These people hold jobs that do not require college degrees, therefore they do not really value education very much. Trump's number one tagline is his plan to somehow keep manufacturers in the United States. Most manufacturing jobs do not require college degrees, so this statement appeals to people who hold similar jobs. Additionally, Clinton has expressed a strong desire to continue making higher education more affordable. This statement does not relate to these people who do not value college degrees, so of course they won't vote for her.

Furthermore, I'm not saying people make stupid decisions because they don't have college degrees, although few would fault that statement. I'm saying people who aren't educated tend to make uneducated decisions.

Originally posted by ahn1991:Oh yeah, I guess people think having a private email server is a bigger violation than fraud, rape, and child molestation.

Originally posted by ahn1991:[..]


This statement is so wrong it hurts. Nowadays you need both a degree and experience to get stable jobs. If you try to show up to any non-menial job without a college degree, your resume won't even get looked at.

Originally posted by Happy24:[..]
The poster you reacted to wrote: "In the real world most employers want experience over college degrees." I absolutely agree with that. I live in a different country than you, so what I write concerns my country, but I assume it is at least similar in the whole "western world."

Pretty much the only case where the education degree counts and is compulsory is when your employer is the state. The whole (I mean 99%) of the private sector values work experience and the real abilities (which have usually very little to do with education nowadays, unfortunately). The thing is (at least in our country) that state built tons of absolutely useless universities in pretty much every middle-sized town in order to rise the level of the education. Or at least that's the official excuse for the unbelievable amounts of money that flows into those schools. Then, for tons and tons of jobs where you never needed a university degree, the state made it compulsory. But all those people who would normally not study a university now HAVE to get the university paper, so they HAVE to pass all those exams and stuff. Yes, they HAVE. I have a friend who is a university teacher and those stories that he tells how they are under pressure that all those students HAVE to pass are quite unbelievable. As a result the level of the university education has declined dramaticaly and says pretty much nothing about those people who have those university degrees.

Now we have tons and tons of absolutely useless people with university degrees, but of course, they demand conditions and salaries according to having a university degree. They all (pretty much literally) want to be managers. Most of them are impossible to employ and useless for any job where you have to produce some real results. Then they start to push themselves into politics.

It is more than common when a private employer advertises a job position where clearly a university degree is pretty much necessary, he actually clearly states that the position is not for university-educated people. Because they know that they will get tons of appliations from people with university degree and when they choose someone, they offer him way less money, since it was said clearly that the university education was not needed...

This is how a university eduation is valued these days, at least where I live. And it is only in the last 15 years or so, it was way different before, when the university education really had its value. Before we (or rather our politicians) started to compare us with the US... Yea, we have to rise the education of the nation...And money flow and flow and flow...

Originally posted by amansman:[..]
Its the same here as well. Many employers wont even consider people that just graduated. Its sad because when my Dad told me it was the complete opposite when he graduated.

Originally posted by blueeyedboy:[..]
I think it depends on the profession. Obviously if you're a doctor, lawyer, physicist or chemist, it's a no brainer. But overall, most people I know with no college or only associates degrees have thrived and consistently won positions over college whippersnappers due to their resumes not their degrees.

Originally posted by bpt3:[..]
Agreed. But to take this discussion in a new direction...

According to polling data, it looks like white men overall voted more for Trump - those with college degrees included. Obviously, Trump won the majority of non-college educated white voters for reasons that have already been discussed and disputed above...but he also won among white college-educated men (54%).

So, though I acknowledge that many white working class people who voted for Trump did so for economic reasons - and not because they are bigoted racists - I also am wrestling with why, overall, white men both with and without degrees voted Trump. Is this a sexist thing, partially? Is it motivated out of white fear of losing majority control in the U.S., even if this is hidden, subtle, unacknowledged?

I don't know.

Originally posted by bpt3:[..]
Agreed. But to take this discussion in a new direction...

According to polling data, it looks like white men overall voted more for Trump - those with college degrees included. Obviously, Trump won the majority of non-college educated white voters for reasons that have already been discussed and disputed above...but he also won among white college-educated men (54%).

So, though I acknowledge that many white working class people who voted for Trump did so for economic reasons - and not because they are bigoted racists - I also am wrestling with why, overall, white men both with and without degrees voted Trump. Is this a sexist thing, partially? Is it motivated out of white fear of losing majority control in the U.S., even if this is hidden, subtle, unacknowledged?

I don't know.

Originally posted by bpt3:[..]
Agreed. But to take this discussion in a new direction...

According to polling data, it looks like white men overall voted more for Trump - those with college degrees included. Obviously, Trump won the majority of non-college educated white voters for reasons that have already been discussed and disputed above...but he also won among white college-educated men (54%).

So, though I acknowledge that many white working class people who voted for Trump did so for economic reasons - and not because they are bigoted racists - I also am wrestling with why, overall, white men both with and without degrees voted Trump. Is this a sexist thing, partially? Is it motivated out of white fear of losing majority control in the U.S., even if this is hidden, subtle, unacknowledged?

I don't know.