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  1. Originally posted by hoserama:I think you'd be better off organizing to ensure shows are covered (meaning pay for a tapers ticket to cover shows) rather than organizing to just have somebody make packages.

    My attitude is...It's all about the music not the dressing. But I know some people really focus on the dressing.

    I could see your point if somebody was had a high end printer and was selling just the artwork. Like two bucks gets you a jewel case and high end artwork, then you burn your own cds.
    If we got a guaranteed recording out of it then I think for the effort the taper puts in I’d be happy to chip in for there ticket. I guess that would come down to a fund me for every show with trusted tapers. It could literally cost less than £1 per person if you look at the number of people that download a show. It would be hard to encourage people though when they’re currently getting them for free unless tapers started refusing to share. I guess the other issue is if the quality of a recording isn’t as good as others and people complain about that. Once you start putting a price on something then it opens it up to scrutiny. I like your idea about the artwork but that also gets me to thinking well what if it was still the digipak artwork but again no cd’s provided, that’s not illegal is it as long as the cover is made by someone willing to have it used for that purpose. Maybe it’s a non starter but I reckon there would be quite a few people interested when the cost would probably be relatively good compared to what some people charge for these bootlegs. It’s just an idea anyway I can understand maybe why the site doesn’t want to get involved in all that for legal problems and other issues, we’re very fortunate to have it the way we do just now with plenty of recordings freely available so I’m certainly not complaining.
  2. Originally posted by hoserama:I think you'd be better off organizing to ensure shows are covered (meaning pay for a tapers ticket to cover shows) […].
    This idea and/or suggestion has been buzzing around for a while now. But let's think this thought through for a bit. Just to get a picture and see how many of us would need to participate to make it feasible. I'm just thinking out loud here - not shooting at anyone, or looking to get shot...

    "Pay for a tapers ticket" - what is reasonable? GA ticket, say $100,-, or a seat @ $150,- max ?
    (Do we need to cover travel expenses as well? max $50,- ?)

    Alright, let's say we sort of have this fixed price of $200,- just to make it easy on the calculation.

    But this is for one recording only...

    Let's say we find 10 people = $20,- per recording
    - 20 people = $10,- per recording
    - 40 people = $ 5,- per recording

    40 people willing to pay $5,- for a recording? Mind you, this will be a recording that would not have been made otherwise... or seen the light of day.

    - follow me here for a little bit longer -

    OK, 40 people do this and for $5,- each recording they all agree to make 5 recordings ($25,- per person)

    Will these recordings remain in closed circuits? I doubt it, to be honest.

    And if they do make it in the open, will other tapers who usually shared their recordings for free still want to share them for free? Or do they also want a slice of the metaphorical pie?

    Agreed: I made a lot of assumptions. How many assumptions can we get rid off?

    And, too: how much will change if a taper only asks $ 100,- ? Will we double the amount of recordings, or do we start with 20 early birds (better chance of keeping things in closed circles: share and your out)

    OK: now y'all can shoot
  3. It's not only "buzzing around", it's been (successfully) done in the past for other bands - I cna't see why shouldn't it work for U2. But yeah, in the "Day And Age Of Free Über Alles" as I like to call it... The idea of getting dozens of people to pay a taper to cover a certain show (with no guarantees that he/she would do it afterwards) is a bit naïve.
  4. What if there was a fund me page which covered the cost of a ticket for each show on the tour. The same standard of ticket for each show. So everyone is putting money into the same pot and if the target is met we get every show recorded. It would seem like a large target at the beginning but how many people on here download shows? There’s 59 shows on the E&I tour so say it was $100 per show that’s $5900 (who said I wasn’t good at maths lol). How many members are there on this site? And how many download shows regularly? I don’t know the answer to they last questions I’d assume a lot but I’m sure Remy will know. I think the tapers do put in a lot of effort and time into these shows and to get there ticket paid isn’t unfair when they’re giving us all something back.
  5. Obviously the number of E&I shows left isn’t 59 now that the tour has started but I was making the example if we did it from the start of the tour.
  6. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    It's not only "buzzing around", it's been (successfully) done in the past for other bands - I cna't see why shouldn't it work for U2. But yeah, in the "Day And Age Of Free Über Alles" as I like to call it... The idea of getting dozens of people to pay a taper to cover a certain show (with no guarantees that he/she would do it afterwards) is a bit naïve.
    I'm just looking for a convincing scenario. Which fan community has done it successfully? (The Grateful Dead excluded)
  7. Go Fund Me could work, but for a whole tour, or just "per show"? And please note that GoFundMe takes 10% (or something like that...)

    PS: the first available audience recording of a concert could easily end up with 400 downloads. But 800 is no exception. IEM's and IEM-AUD matrixes go easily to 1500 downloads.

    But, to have an idea, the recent Uniondale recording (available since yesterday) stands at 267 downloads at the moment. Bishop's Nashville recording is over 400 (and both are excellent recordings).
  8. Originally posted by BigGiRL:[..]
    Go Fund Me could work, but for a whole tour, or just "per show"? And please note that GoFundMe takes 10% (or something like that...)

    PS: the first available audience recording of a concert could easily end up with 400 downloads. But 800 is no exception. IEM's and IEM-AUD matrixes go easily to 1500 downloads.

    But, to have an idea, the recent Uniondale recording (available since yesterday) stands at 267 downloads at the moment. Bishop's Nashville recording is over 400 (and both are excellent recordings).
    I think whole tour works better because, if you start splitting the pot between shows it makes it too personal for want of a better phrase in that it comes down to doing it selfishly because you’re attending whereas if it’s done for the whole thing then we realise that we’re all contributing towards getting each other a show. I think it would prove more cost effective as well to the members on here. I didn’t realise the fund me page took 10% is there not an alternative to that? I’d trust one of the u2starters crew with my money if there was a way of getting round the 10%. In regards to the number of downloads someone would need to try and gauge an idea of how many individuals were downloading from the site. Obviously a lot of the same people could be downloading more than 1 show but at least with the example of 1500 we know there’s at least 1500 people on here who download shows. I’m not saying all of them would contribute to the tapers fund but it’s a starting point.
  9. Originally posted by deanallison:[..]
    I think whole tour works better because, if you start splitting the pot between shows it makes it too personal for want of a better phrase in that it comes down to doing it selfishly because you’re attending whereas if it’s done for the whole thing then we realise that we’re all contributing towards getting each other a show. I think it would prove more cost effective as well to the members on here. I didn’t realise the fund me page took 10% is there not an alternative to that? I’d trust one of the u2starters crew with my money if there was a way of getting round the 10%. In regards to the number of downloads someone would need to try and gauge an idea of how many individuals were downloading from the site. Obviously a lot of the same people could be downloading more than 1 show but at least with the example of 1500 we know there’s at least 1500 people on here who download shows. I’m not saying all of them would contribute to the tapers fund but it’s a starting point.
    OK. Good point. Because what I am a bit afraid of is that if one taper gets paid, they all want to get paid.

    And 1500 is an example of an IEM-AUD matrix. That has some more work involved...

    For audience recordings I say the average number of downloads is between 200-400 (but some people could download both mp3 and flac...that I don't know, and I don't think it can be read out).
  10. Originally posted by BigGiRL:[..]
    OK. Good point. Because what I am a bit afraid of is that if one taper gets paid, they all want to get paid.

    And 1500 is an example of an IEM-AUD matrix. That has some more work involved...

    For audience recordings I say the average number of downloads is between 200-400 (but some people could download both mp3 and flac...that I don't know, and I don't think it can be read out).
    Do you think we could maybe achieve 300 people who are willing to pay $20 for a whole tour of shows? Obviously that number will have changed if we did it at some point for this tour but that would have been the starting point for the full E&I roughly. I think that’s very good value for money personally and wouldn’t think twice.
  11. I'm a Larry type in that I start from the "it won't work" point.

    Ignoring how real would it be for enough people to contribute, which I don't think it'll be... I really don't think there'll be enough people with enough money to make it happen, but even if they were, you get to the point mentioned by Dean about the scrutiny you'll get once people starts paying for it...

    Who would be the taper? Would (s)he be "forced" to do it? what if there's no taper available for a show? would a taper get upset if x show is given to another one? would it be an iem or an audience or a matrix recording? some people hates IEMs, some people hate audiences, alternatively, how much audience would it be in the mix? and what if the quality is "not good enough" since that doesn't depends solely on the taper?

    ---

    Also, I think we're losing focus here... what's the point of doing this again?
    to "stop" or at least discourage the bootleg-for-profit market? This won't do it.
    to guarantee that every show gets a bootleg? I see a lot more problems than solutions with it.
    to help or compensate the tapers? I think it would work better to collect a pot to be distributed among all tapers who contributed to a tour once the tour is over, based on number (and quality?) of shows... it won't be enough to cover their expenses, maybe it'd only be symbolical, but maybe it'd be nice.
  12. Originally posted by deanallison:[..]
    Do you think we could maybe achieve 300 people who are willing to pay $20 for a whole tour of shows? Obviously that number will have changed if we did it at some point for this tour but that would have been the starting point for the full E&I roughly. I think that’s very good value for money personally and wouldn’t think twice.
    Realistically? 300? No... I don't think so.

    I think we can find 10 maybe 15 people who are willing to pay $ 40,-
    That might bring us 4 to 5 shows.

    But the advantage of this little number of people would be that we could make a solid agreement.
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