1. YES (implied in my 2nd paragraph though)
  2. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    This.

    IMO the decline began with Invisible live (he didn't play the guitar solo. Let that sink: he DID NOT PLAY the damned GUITAR SOLO) and the super-simplified version of Sunday Bloody Sunday with less notes in the main riff that began with the rooftop 2013 version which was the inspiration for the 2015 and 2018 stripped-down versions.

    From there, less and less greatness in his playing, more mistakes, less spark, more wariness. More piano playing where guitar would have done great (or sufficed, at least), and being honest, he isn't Rachmaninov!

    It's sad because he's my hero, he's one of my life-inspirations... But he's sadly going downhill. I've even come to think he might be starting to suffer some kind of slight osteoarthritis or some bone disease. I hope it's not the case but I wouldn't be surprised.


    Adam on the other hand...

    The one thing I'll say in Edge's defense, especially when comparing his playing in 1984 to 2017, is that there's a LOT more he has to be aware of in their stage-show now. Back then he was just up there playing, hell, they didn't even have a b-stage. These days Edge is on a wireless system and is expected to walk around, do tons of harmonies because he's ALSO backing up Bono's lack of vocal range a lot more now, and he's also worrying about the actual stage show, making sure he's in the right spot, doing the right thing, looking the right way, etc. Adam is more free to do his thing because he's not responsible for as much as Edge is.

    You hit on this too, but I'll just reiterate: they're also all getting older. It might not look like it on the outside, but maybe Edge just isn't as agile as he once was, maybe it's actually difficult for him to play some solos these days, who knows. But I don't think it's a lack of effort on his part or anything like that. We also know that Edge is the one who brings the most stuff to the table when it comes to album writing/recording. He's the one in the studio the most, he's the one writing all the stuff to bring to the band, etc.
  3. Unknown Caller is the worst song on No Line on the Horizon, except maybe Get On Your Boots. Boots at least has some energy to it though; UC is just a total snooze fest and that chanting is incredibly obnoxious.
  4. I just started listening to Get On Your Boots again after probably not hearing it for 5 years. It is better than I remember. This may not be the poplar opinion, but I think it is aging well. The live version from the Grammys is a great performance. I had forgotten all about that.
  5. Originally posted by Faceman2000:Unknown Caller is the worst song on No Line on the Horizon, except maybe Get On Your Boots. Boots at least has some energy to it though; UC is just a total snooze fest and that chanting is incredibly obnoxious.
    Agreed. I think the same could apply to Moment Of Surrender. If both were 3 minutes long or so, listening to it would be bearable. MOS is longer than 7 freaking minutes.

    Magnificent, I Go Crazy and Breathe (and maybe NLOTH) are the only good songs. The rest are meh fillers.
  6. Stories For Boys and Twilight are so forgotten nowadays that they NEED to play it.
  7. Originally posted by RattleandHum1988:[..]

    The one thing I'll say in Edge's defense, especially when comparing his playing in 1984 to 2017, is that there's a LOT more he has to be aware of in their stage-show now. Back then he was just up there playing, hell, they didn't even have a b-stage. These days Edge is on a wireless system and is expected to walk around, do tons of harmonies because he's ALSO backing up Bono's lack of vocal range a lot more now, and he's also worrying about the actual stage show, making sure he's in the right spot, doing the right thing, looking the right way, etc. Adam is more free to do his thing because he's not responsible for as much as Edge is.

    You hit on this too, but I'll just reiterate: they're also all getting older. It might not look like it on the outside, but maybe Edge just isn't as agile as he once was, maybe it's actually difficult for him to play some solos these days, who knows. But I don't think it's a lack of effort on his part or anything like that. We also know that Edge is the one who brings the most stuff to the table when it comes to album writing/recording. He's the one in the studio the most, he's the one writing all the stuff to bring to the band, etc.
    It hurts to see how bad they are aging. Especially Bono. I attended the last JT30 show, and it was terrific. One of the best experiences ever. But watching (or listening) to gigs you haven't attended (and having watched [and listened] to some performances chronologically [boots and DVDs]) it's kinda depressing. They are getting slower and slower. I know, time takes the price for everyone, but Bono almost doesn't seem the same from 2005 or before.

    Don't get me wrong (and don't get offended), I love them (I wouldn't be here if I don't), but Bono looks like he's 70. Other artists haven't aged so bad (Adam? That guy look tough). Listening to Pride it's very depressing. Every show I feel less and less energy coming from them. It looks like they are playing as a duty, not with the same love as before.

    I know, I know, 40 years on the road, etc. But I think it's time for them to go away for a long while. Try to find real inspiration to write songs and perform, or leave the stage for good.
  8. miami is shit
  9. Originally posted by RattleandHum1988:[..]

    The one thing I'll say in Edge's defense, especially when comparing his playing in 1984 to 2017, is that there's a LOT more he has to be aware of in their stage-show now. Back then he was just up there playing, hell, they didn't even have a b-stage. These days Edge is on a wireless system and is expected to walk around, do tons of harmonies because he's ALSO backing up Bono's lack of vocal range a lot more now, and he's also worrying about the actual stage show, making sure he's in the right spot, doing the right thing, looking the right way, etc. Adam is more free to do his thing because he's not responsible for as much as Edge is.

    You hit on this too, but I'll just reiterate: they're also all getting older. It might not look like it on the outside, but maybe Edge just isn't as agile as he once was, maybe it's actually difficult for him to play some solos these days, who knows. But I don't think it's a lack of effort on his part or anything like that. We also know that Edge is the one who brings the most stuff to the table when it comes to album writing/recording. He's the one in the studio the most, he's the one writing all the stuff to bring to the band, etc.
    ...and watching where he steps. lol
  10. The best live version of Pride is Sarajevo 1997
  11. Originally posted by ViniedgeU2:[..]
    It hurts to see how bad they are aging. Especially Bono. I attended the last JT30 show, and it was terrific. One of the best experiences ever. But watching (or listening) to gigs you haven't attended (and having watched [and listened] to some performances chronologically [boots and DVDs]) it's kinda depressing. They are getting slower and slower. I know, time takes the price for everyone, but Bono almost doesn't seem the same from 2005 or before.

    Don't get me wrong (and don't get offended), I love them (I wouldn't be here if I don't), but Bono looks like he's 70. Other artists haven't aged so bad (Adam? That guy look tough). Listening to Pride it's very depressing. Every show I feel less and less energy coming from them. It looks like they are playing as a duty, not with the same love as before.

    I know, I know, 40 years on the road, etc. But I think it's time for them to go away for a long while. Try to find real inspiration to write songs and perform, or leave the stage for good.
    You're not wrong, and yeah - Bono has been aging physically quite fast, especially compared to the other guys. Cigarettes, alcohol, partying, drugs (probably), touring, but more than any of the other guys - stress from his activist work - it all adds up.

    And if you scroll a few pages back, my unpopular opinion was that they should've retired in 2006. As I said in that post, it would've meant never being able to see them live, and that would've been terrible. Not to mention, the music and touring they've done since has been great. But I really do think that would've been a really great place to cap it all off from the perspective of looking at their career objectively.

    It's kinda like how Seinfeld (the show) ended while they were still #1, they chose not to empty the tank and left with some gas left. Since probably the release of No Line on the Horizon (which I would argue was a HUGE dip in quality compared to How to Dismantle - not to mention all the themes of Bomb being about growing up, looking back with experience, etc.), U2 has been emptying the tank.