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Joshua Tree Tour 2019
 Legs (1): New Zealand, Australia and Asia
Shows: 15
  1. Originally posted by tommybanny:I think it's important we provide some context here, particularly in the case of New Zealand. I think it's been mentioned here previously that Taylor Swift, in the height of her commercial success couldnt sell out a show in New Zealand at the same venue. The fact of the matter is kiwis barely attend anything in sell out numbers other than the all blacks. A lot of events here NEVER sell out and it's like the fans have dressed up as empty seats. Its remarkable that they have sold out 1 and a half shows in a country that has the population of most medium sized cities in a global context at AGE 60!!! If Taylor swift sells out 1 and a half shows at the same venue when shes 60 I'll eat my bus pass as me and her will be the same age then! Context people!!
    Good point to provide context. If you compare population with f.e. Holland it would roughly equal 5 stadium sellouts. They never achieved that even in their heyday, around 3 was the max on their most successful tours
  2. I think the most disappointing thing is they sold over 93k tickets over 2 shows in Auckland back in 2010. The sales this time aren’t bad as mentioned given the population of New Zealand and compared to other artists they’re bringing in respectable numbers but there has been a severe decline in popularity there. People can point to the ticket pricing which will have been a factor but it’s not the only issue, whenever there’s GA available which are usually the most sought after tickets and not too expensive you realise its a lack of demand thing as well. I think they’ve also just been a bit unlucky in that they’ve got more than enough people interested in one show but nowhere near enough to sell out a 2nd show. If they were playing 1 night in a 50-55k capacity venue they would have been fine, probably wouldn’t have sold out the show straight away and realised it wouldn’t have been sensible putting on a 2nd show but they’ve been caught in the middle this time. But it’s not a big deal really money will be made fans attending the 2nd night will still be treated to a proper show and the tour will carry on from there.
  3. Originally posted by deanallison:I think the most disappointing thing is they sold over 93k tickets over 2 shows in Auckland back in 2010. The sales this time aren’t bad as mentioned given the population of New Zealand and compared to other artists they’re bringing in respectable numbers but there has been a severe decline in popularity there. People can point to the ticket pricing which will have been a factor but it’s not the only issue, whenever there’s GA available which are usually the most sought after tickets and not too expensive you realise its a lack of demand thing as well. I think they’ve also just been a bit unlucky in that they’ve got more than enough people interested in one show but nowhere near enough to sell out a 2nd show. If they were playing 1 night in a 50-55k capacity venue they would have been fine, probably wouldn’t have sold out the show straight away and realised it wouldn’t have been sensible putting on a 2nd show but they’ve been caught in the middle this time. But it’s not a big deal really money will be made fans attending the 2nd night will still be treated to a proper show and the tour will carry on from there.
    New Zealand has always been a problem for them, over estimating their popularity or thinking they will sell more than one night in one city, it happened on the Lovetown and Zoo TV tours however maybe they are seeing the Auckland gigs as a kinda warm up shows as the tour is very short they will need to hit their stride very quickly and iron out any technical glitches .
  4. From the @u2 website I gathered th following data for the concerts on Lovetown and ZooTV respectively:

    Lovetown:

    Nov 10, 1989: Attendance 20k, capacity 60k
    Nov 11, 1989: Attendance 60k, capacity 60k


    ZooTV:

    Dec 4, 1993: Attendance 42k, capacity 60k

    Vertigo 2006 seems to be the highest scoring of all tours, with over 100k over 2 shows combined. Funnily enough both were "sold-out" but with a > 20k difference between the 2 showdays. And the 360 shows also had > 20k less attendance than Vertigo show 1.

    Goes to show that either they don't really care to sell out, or twist capacity in such a way that it seems sold-out. In general I think you could argue that they systematically are well over demand with NZ shows..
  5. Originally posted by melon51:From the @u2 website I gathered th following data for the concerts on Lovetown and ZooTV respectively:

    Lovetown:

    Nov 10, 1989: Attendance 20k, capacity 60k
    Nov 11, 1989: Attendance 60k, capacity 60k


    ZooTV:

    Dec 4, 1993: Attendance 42k, capacity 60k

    Vertigo 2006 seems to be the highest scoring of all tours, with over 100k over 2 shows combined. Funnily enough both were "sold-out" but with a > 20k difference between the 2 showdays. And the 360 shows also had > 20k less attendance than Vertigo show 1.

    Goes to show that either they don't really care to sell out, or twist capacity in such a way that it seems sold-out. In general I think you could argue that they systematically are well over demand with NZ shows..
    Don’t know where @u2 are getting there figures from but the vertigo tour in Auckland sold less than 360 did according to Wikipedia. Just over 84k for the 2 Vertigo tour shows in Auckland compared to the 93k for 360 i mentioned above which makes sense since 360’s in the round design allowed for a higher capacity. It looks like @u2 have some clear mistakes with there numbers suggesting both for Lovetown and vertigo tours that the 2nd night sold better than the first, unless the 2nd night was announced first thats very unlikely to happen especially by the kind of numbers they’re suggesting.
  6. As far as I know it regularly happens that a (later announced) 2nd show actually predates the one that was first put on sale. But I don't know where they have these numbers from or if they switched around the dates...

    Think the point is that even during succesful/relevant periods like LT/ZooTV they had a hard time selling out gigs, or simply decided to oversaturate the market to give everyone a chance to see the gigs..
  7. Correction:

    I missed out on other shows they did in Christchurch and Wellington, making my point (at least the bit about popularity) invalid
  8. Originally posted by melon51:As far as I know it regularly happens that a (later announced) 2nd show actually predates the one that was first put on sale. But I don't know where they have these numbers from or if they switched around the dates...

    Think the point is that even during succesful/relevant periods like LT/ZooTV they had a hard time selling out gigs, or simply decided to oversaturate the market to give everyone a chance to see the gigs..
    The figures on @u2 are just wrong without a doubt, they’ve listed the 2nd vertigo tour show as having over 63k yet the venue doesn’t hold anywhere near that.
  9. Originally posted by deanallison:[..]
    The figures on @u2 are just wrong without a doubt, they’ve listed the 2nd vertigo tour show as having over 63k yet the venue doesn’t hold anywhere near that.
    Yes, just noticed that as well..

  11. Just about time for me to go live in a hole until November 12th, my first show, in Brisbane. As I'm aiming be spoiler-free.

    Hope we have a spoiler-free thread soon, which I'll keep an eye on.

    Safe travels to those seeing the show. To those that are not, enjoy the rehearsals, periscope & the set list parties.
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