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Originally posted by cesar_garza01:Messi?

LOL. What can I say? I watched Zizou since I was a kid, he left a big impression on me, and for me, he'll be the best player ever.

patou2

10 years

hahha no problem ...we have discussed a lot of times with Sergio ..he loves Zizou ..he was great without doubts ... but i can t belive that young people like you (both) that sure didn t see Maradona ( neither Pele , Di stefano , etc) dont rate Messi like he deserve .
The football history divided in after and before Messi . Before Messi all records were split in many differents players ( record from 1950 to now) and after Messi , he has all the records . I watch ( play/love ) football for many years and i didn t expect to see a player like him.

cesar_garza01

10 years

True, but Zizou made all the other players play better. Messi shattered individual records, but not until the last World Cup I've seen him improving the rest of his team. I did have the chance to watch Maradona a little bit.

patou2

10 years

Originally posted by cesar_garza01:True, but Zizou made all the other players play better. Messi shattered individual records, but not until the last World Cup I've seen him improving the rest of his team. I did have the chance to watch Maradona a little bit.

We didn t see the best of Maradona( you are younger than me ) . Messi for older people is not that fantastic . But is ok . Always is there the discussion about Maradona, Pele , etc .
Anyway i think Messi was part of the best team in history football too and he was the best player but he did ( and does ) a lot of assists nad passes too . Of course i respect your opinion and they are/were different kind of players .~~( i love Messi and when some talk like this start i can t stop )~~

cesar_garza01

10 years

hahaha, it's ok Pato, of course I respect your opinion too. I'm sure that if we go to the cold hard facts in terms of statistics, goals, and the competition he had, Messi will be the best ever, but Zidane left us so many feats and memories in the most important games, and that's what (unfair or not) is remembered in the long term.
I tell you this: I think that the legends from the romantic era (Di Stefano, Pele, etc.) didn't have this incredibly tough competition. The game became incredibly physical nowadays, who knows how well these players would do today, don't you agree?

bartajax

10 years

Admire a player or thinking he is the best are different things, at least for me. Messi is the best player I have seen, but I always liked Pirlo, Zlatan, Zidane and Ronaldinho more. C Ronaldo is a great player but I just can't stand him, that doesn't make him bad or something but I just don't like him.

clover68

10 years

Originally posted by iTim:Yeah, twice with Milan, including the great final ( ) of 2003 against Buffon's Juventus.

Sure, it won't be easy. This is one of the strongest semi-final groupings for some while.

the only nice thing in that final was the stadium

Pato think Messi in Napoli or Argentina of those years and think Maradona in Barcelona or Argentina of these years ..

LikeASong

10 years

Messi might be the best scorer, the best runner, the best shooter... But Zidane was a step higher. He had style, he had grace, he worked for the team and even though he could have been a fantastic scorer he chose to stay mid-field and make his teams work better as a whole. THAT is what the "best player" award should be all about in my opinion, not about who scores 50000 goals in a season.

cesar_garza01

10 years

I'll just say this: if my team is playing a final or a crucial match, I'd rather have Zidane on my team than 2 Messis.