1. That's what buggers me. I think they could do most stuff without if they dared to. They'd just have to strip a few layers of sound and risk that some will complain about it "not sounding exactly like on record". Why does it have to sound like on record? It doesn't. It's live. It's rock.

    At the very least least they should put their additional musicians on stage. Hiding them is ridiculous and cowardly. These guys are around 50 by now, they shouldn't behave that childish. Could an additional musician on stage draw some attention to himself that Bono and the others prefer attracted to themselves? Bono's statements "the show is how we four interact" seem to imply that conclusion. That's poor. The Alarm and Big Country always had their keyboard sidemen visibly on the side or in the back of the stage.

    So they have click tracks, IEM, teleprompters, loops, pre- recorded samples AND additional musicians hidden behind some curtains. Well, if U2 are still a great live rock band they find their ways to disguise themselves as self- centered stage pretenders with little confidence in their real abilities and little respect for their audience. Trying to continually fool their concert audiences doesn't add to their credibility, and it doesn't support their christian and humanistic efforts.

    C'mon boys, you can do better than that. We know it, you know it. Now go and do it.

    Alex
  2. I have no problem with it if it's necessary for the song.

    but if they're just doing it because they can, not because they need to, then I'd rather they didn't.
  3. t's cool wit me
  4. Originally posted by yeah:I'm not the biggest fan of all these backing tracks, prerecorded music/vocals teleprompters, etc. But I don't have a real problem with it.
    I do think it's ridiculous if they hide musicians who play along, though. Like when Sam O'Sullivan did/does some additional drumming or Terry Lawless is playing Keyboards,...

    I do agree with the latter part actually - what's wrong with letting the crowd see who's playing the additional stuff? On a similar note, I was just thinking whilst listening to Breathe (Live Lounge performance) where you can hear Edge playing a lead part over rhythm guitar - a) who's playing the rhythm part if at all and b) surely Bono could play it? Just a thought
  5. Originally posted by WojBhoy:[..]
    I do agree with the latter part actually - what's wrong with letting the crowd see who's playing the additional stuff? On a similar note, I was just thinking whilst listening to Breathe (Live Lounge performance) where you can hear Edge playing a lead part over rhythm guitar - a) who's playing the rhythm part if at all and b) surely Bono could play it? Just a thought


    Bono-on guitar?
  6. Originally posted by Alex:Seems I'm in the minority here. I don't like semi- playbacks that much.

    I was the person who started the discussion in the other thread, so thanks for your opinions.

    Let me explain my view:

    ZooTV was a great tour, and PopPart was even bigger. Part of the concept of those tours was IMHO overpowering technology and how humanity is in the middle between reigning over technology and being enslaved by it. So to underline that artistic direction they had to use a lot of backing tracks, even semi- playback (Daddy's gonna pay) and full playback (Lemon Perfecto Mix). In this concept it fit well. It was more a high tech multimedia show than a live rock concert.

    Now U2 try to present themselves as a rock band - they even copied the Beatles' famous rooftop concert. Why do they still use prerecorded parts? Recorded music is the opposite of live music. They have been playing "real live" during the eighties, so I'm convinced they could still do that quite easily - but they don't want to. They don't want to strip down their multi- layered studio versions to real live rock.

    Obviously U2 try to achieve two goals: They want their songs to sound as multi- layered as they do on CD and they want to stay a strict four- piece band. So they compromise and sacrifice the "live" aspect. As you might notice, I disagree with that direction. It's a sacrifice at the wrong place. I want live rock music to be played live. I prefer a rough "live" version to an over- perfect playback performance.

    I don't rant about click tracks for IEM, these are useful tools that help the band to stay tight. I also understand why a self- repeating rhythm loop for dance- based songs can be helpful. Effects like these can easily be switched on and off by a drummer during a song - or he could use triggered drums. But if they really want to have an even "bigger" sound it would be definitely more "live" to get an additional musician on stage than to use prerecorded parts. A lot of bands do that instead of playing to semi- playback. Pink Floyd and the Who for example had dozens of assistant musicians on stage...

    Someone posted they couldn't bring an organ on tour just for Streets... well, why not? Edge already carries dozens of guitars and tons of equipment. They already have some high end keyboards on stage - isn't any of these able to reproduce a decent organ sound? And wouldn't the band be able to get a guest keyboarder on stage when needed?

    Alex


    At first it didnt bother me. Then......I read this. Very well said!
  7. Well, these are just my 0.02, as always. No offence intended. Seems most boarders (except me) don't really care about it, and I have no intention to spoil someone's entertainment and enjoyment. I think I made my statement.

    Peace and Love

    Alex
  8. Originally posted by Alex:Well, these are just my 0.02, as always. No offence intended. Seems most boarders (except me) don't really care about it, and I have no intention to spoil someone's entertainment and enjoyment. I think I made my statement.

    Peace and Love

    Alex


    Peace and Love...HAHA cracks me up thinking about Ringos statement.......