U2start.com | Paul McGuiness talks about music piracy

Originally posted by Risto:Together with a poll with how many they would have bought without listening first?

I know you're joking. But let's face it, 90% of the people here get every U2 release without listening to it first. Just because it's a new U2 album.
U2 have lost lots of money this way. they're just in the lucky position that they don't need it.

Risto

14 years

But what would improve for the sector if piracy were impossible? Who would benefit? The artist on the street, God i hope no. U2 ? How much i like them, little they get is honest / fair / whatever. Some artist without a hit? Would he profit? And should he profit ? Will the record companies give out more contracts? Why would they?

Just to be clear. Piracy is not good. But the whole business is shady. Every artist worth playing according to the radio is loaded. Others who arent being played dont get much. Well go back to college and do something you are good at

yeah

14 years

The record companies, the artists and the consumer.

Risto

14 years

Consumers? I dont see that happening.

Why should U2 get more? Why should Muse get more? They all get more then they morally deserve. I dont mind it, but the whole balance is gone anyway. Same with football players.

yeah

14 years

Originally posted by Risto:Consumers? I dont see that happening.

Why should U2 get more? Why should Muse get more? They all get more then they morally deserve. I dont mind it, but the whole balance is gone anyway. Same with football players.

And we're back at the same old story.
We can easily change that situation.

Risto

14 years

Sure, stop buying. And prohibit piracy. That would be the only sane solution

Who is gonna propose that to Paul

Risto

14 years

[html]<table><tr><th>Rank</th>
<th>Actual gross</th>
<th>Inflation</th>
<th>Artist</th>
<th>Tour name</th>
<th>Year(s)</th>
<th>Shows</th>

<th>Attendance</th>
<th>Average gross (millions)</th>
<th>Average attendance</th>
<th class="unsortable"></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>1</th>
<td>$558,255,524</td>
<td>$608,316,662</td>
<td>Rolling Stones, The !<a href="/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones" title="The Rolling Stones">The Rolling Stones</a></td>

<td>Bigger Bang Tour, A !<a href="/wiki/A_Bigger_Bang_Tour" title="A Bigger Bang Tour">A Bigger Bang Tour</a></td>
<td>2005–2007</td>
<td align="center">144</td>
<td align="center">4,000,000</td>
<td align="center">3.8</td>
<td align="center">32,500</td>
<td><a href="#cite_note-biggerbang-0">[1]</a></td>

</tr>
<tr>
<th>2</th>
<td>$407,713,266</td>
<td>$405,854,874</td>
<td><a href="/wiki/Madonna_%28entertainer%29" title="Madonna (entertainer)">Madonna</a></td>
<td><a href="/wiki/Sticky_%26_Sweet_Tour" title="Sticky & Sweet Tour">Sticky & Sweet Tour</a></td>
<td>2008–2009</td>
<td align="center">85</td>

<td align="center">3,500,000</td>
<td align="center">4.8</td>
<td align="center">41,716</td>
<td><a href="#cite_note-stickysweet-1">[2]</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>3</th>
<td>$400,000,000</td>
<td>$419,913,001</td>

<td><a href="/wiki/Celine_Dion" title="Celine Dion">Celine Dion</a></td>
<td><a href="/wiki/A_New_Day..." title="A New Day...">A New Day...</a></td>
<td>2003–2007</td>
<td align="center">723</td>
<td align="center">3,000,000</td>
<td align="center">4.90</td>
<td align="center">4,100</td>
<td><a href="#cite_note-vertigo-2">[3]</a></td>

</tr>
<tr>
<th>4</th>
<td>$389,000,000</td>
<td>$420,003,977</td>
<td><a href="/wiki/U2" title="U2">U2</a></td>
<td><a href="/wiki/Vertigo_Tour" title="Vertigo Tour">Vertigo Tour</a></td>
<td>2005–2006</td>
<td align="center">131</td>
<td align="center">4,000,000</td>

<td align="center">2.96</td>
<td align="center">35,259</td>
<td><a href="#cite_note-vertigo-2">[3]</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>5</th>
<td>$358,825,665</td>
<td>$362,834,890</td>
<td>Police, The !<a href="/wiki/The_Police" title="The Police">The Police</a></td>

<td>Police Reunion Tour, The !<a href="/wiki/The_Police_Reunion_Tour" title="The Police Reunion Tour">The Police Reunion Tour</a></td>
<td>2007–2008</td>
<td align="center">156</td>
<td align="center">1,800,000</td>
<td align="center">2.3</td>
<td align="center">11,538</td>
<td><a href="#cite_note-reunion-3">[4]</a></td>

</tr>
<tr>
<th>6</th>
<td>$339,000,000</td>
<td>$450,571,622</td>
<td>Rolling Stones, The !<a href="/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones" title="The Rolling Stones">The Rolling Stones</a></td>
<td><a href="/wiki/Bridges_To_Babylon" title="Bridges To Babylon" class="mw-redirect">Bridges To Babylon</a>/<a href="/wiki/No_Security_Tour" title="No Security Tour">No Security Tour</a></td>
<td>1997-1998-1999</td>

<td align="center">142</td>
<td align="center">3,900,000</td>
<td align="center"></td>
<td align="center">39,797</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>7</th>
<td>$311,637,730<a href="#endnote_a">[a]</a></td>
<td>$316,199,229</td>
<td><a href="/wiki/U2" title="U2">U2</a></td>

<td><a href="/wiki/U2_360%C2%B0_Tour" title="U2 360° Tour">U2 360° Tour</a></td>
<td>2009–2010</td>
<td align="center">44</td>
<td align="center">3,071,290</td>
<td align="center">7.1</td>
<td align="center">69,802</td>
<td><a href="#cite_note-4">[5]</a><a href="#cite_note-5">[6]</a></td>

</tr>
<tr>
<th>8</th>
<td>$300,200,000</td>
<td>$304,594,083</td>
<td>Dion, Celine !<a href="/wiki/Celine_Dion" title="Celine Dion">Celine Dion</a></td>
<td><a href="/wiki/Taking_Chances_Tour" title="Taking Chances Tour">Taking Chances Tour</a></td>
<td>2008–2009</td>
<td align="center">132</td>

<td align="center">3,000,000</td>
<td align="center">2.9</td>
<td align="center">27,424</td>
<td><a href="#cite_note-6">[7]</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>9</th>
<td>$300,000,000</td>
<td>$354,773,140</td>

<td>Rolling Stones, The !<a href="/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones" title="The Rolling Stones">The Rolling Stones</a></td>
<td><a href="/wiki/Licks_Tour" title="Licks Tour">Licks Tour</a></td>
<td>2002–2003</td>
<td align="center">117</td>
<td align="center">3,400,000</td>
<td align="center">2.56</td>
<td align="center">29,059</td>
<td><a href="#cite_note-7">[8]</a></td>

</tr>
<tr>
<th>10</th>
<td>$260,000,000</td>
<td>$289,699,042</td>
<td><a href="/wiki/Cher" title="Cher">Cher</a></td>
<td><a href="/wiki/Living_Proof:_The_Farewell_Tour" title="Living Proof: The Farewell Tour">Living Proof: The Farewell Tour</a></td>
<td>2002–2005</td>
<td align="center">325</td>
<td align="center">3,500,000</td>

<td align="center">0.8</td>
<td align="center">6,153</td>
<td><a href="#cite_note-8">[9]</td></tr></table>
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Risto

14 years

U2 only makes more during the piracy years. Only recent tours on that one. I know that isnt the same as music sales. But its coming from the left or from the right

yeah

14 years

Originally posted by Risto:Sure, stop buying. And prohibit piracy. That would be the only sane solution Who is gonna propose that to Paul

No need for Paul. People would just have to boycott it. No buying, no stealing. It's that simple. Problem is that people are too dumb/greedy/inconsequent...

Risto

14 years

True. But that makes the problem hard. The whole business is not fair and you cant just straighten it out on one end.

yeah

14 years

Originally posted by Risto:U2 only makes more during the piracy years. Only recent tours on that one. I know that isnt the same as music sales. But its coming from the left or from the right

Apples and Oranges.

Besides: this isn't about U2.

yeah

14 years

Originally posted by Risto:True. But that makes the problem hard. The whole business is not fair and you cant just straighten it out on one end.

Why not? We have the power...

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