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  1. Sure its not the same. But the artists people listen to are doing well. Havent seen an artist having troubles with the mortgage lately.


  2. Ofcourse, but we also have the power to make poverty history and sign a world peace treaty. Those are just as easy and have priority
  3. Originally posted by Risto:Sure its not the same. But the artists people listen to are doing well. Havent seen an artist having troubles with the mortgage lately.


    So, because they are big and have a comfortable life it's okay to "steal" from them?
  4. Ofcourse not. But that is why it is happening

    Two wrongs dont make a right. But the wrong telling the other wrong to right is hypocrit as well

    Only thing to make it right is throwing a nuke on this system (stop buying) and start over.
  5. Originally posted by Risto:Ofcourse not. But that is why it is happening

    Two wrongs dont make a right. But the wrong telling the other wrong to right is hypocrit as well

    Only thing to make it right is throwing a nuke on this system (stop buying) and start over.


    What is the other wrong?
  6. The amounts of money that is being made. I consider that as a wrong, but since I cant negotiate about the price I'd have to live with it

    Same with football, we should stop watching. We have a great band, a great soccer player and a fantastic doctor. Why should the first two get million times more than the doctor? That is the wrong.

    I love U2s music, but I love the doctor that saves my life more
  7. I for one can't remember having been forced to buy their products, so I can't blame them for being rich farts.

  8. Ofcourse. I am just talking from a general moral perspective.

    BTW Said multiple times piracy is wrong Our opinions our not far off. Just playing the devil's advocate a bit.
  9. I'm just sort of joining in on this conversation, but I'd like to throw my 2 cents in...

    Drew was right in his words when this originally surfaced in General Chat- $17 for an album that maybe has 2 or 3 replayable songs on it is outrageous, and yes, we HAVE been brainwashed by the one hit wonder machines like Justin Bieber and Kesha. But a healthy, somewhat responsible alternative is what torrenters sometimes refer to, and sprinkle into their torrent info files- "Try before you buy"

    A few examples:

    Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers: Mojo: I waited so long for this to come out, sat through the anticipation, etc., that I bought it on the day it was released. Didn't hear a single preview aside from lead single "I Should Have Known It", and I was entirely happy with my purchase.

    U2's Entire Discography: I downloaded a massive torrent in 2004 that had every U2 album ever released, plus a handful of bootlegs, literally because I liked "Sunday Bloody Sunday" and I was curious to hear some more. Once I became a fan, and realized that I was listening to some of the most fantastic music ever, I went out and individually bought each of their albums, full price. I tried it before I bought it; but I bought it. They deserved my money.

    Meat Loaf: Hang Cool Teddy Bear: I'm a casual Meat Loaf fan, so when I saw this was being released, I decided I'd try this out before I bought it too. I couldn't stand a single track on the whole album. So instead of seeding it for other people to rip off, and also keeping it on my own hard drive, I deleted all the files as if I never had it. I tried it, I didn't like it, I won't buy it.

    Is what I do still technically illegal? Yes, I download some music. Do I believe that I handle it somewhat responsibly and to a degree, reasonably? Yes. I'm not trying to ride my high horse over here, but I don't really see how this is a terrible system. I shouldn't have to blow $17 to find out I don't like your album and won't ever listen to it- but I'm glad to give you the money if I can find out that I really do enjoy it.

    The other thing I've thought about lately, too, is the whole "used music shop" thing. We've got a store by us called Disc Replay, and they buy used music and movies for a dollar or two, and turn around and re-sell it for 4.99. Great deal, and I'll buy almost anything on a whim from there, because even if I end up hating it, I'll sell it back and only have lost 3 or 4 dollars- not a HUGE deal to me. The problem is that if I hit an album that I really love, I've technically stolen it, if you think about it. Let's say somebody hated "No Line on the Horizon", but paid the full price for it new. They turn around and sell it to Disc Replay, who in turn shares that music with me. Joe Schmo who bought the album originally still has all the songs ripped to his iTunes, and now I do too, so 2 people have a U2 album while Disc Replay is the only one profiting from one of the sales. Is that right?
  10. Second hand stuff is a problem for every business. Think the damage by that is relatively small though.

    I agree with the rest of your post
  11. Originally posted by Risto:Second hand stuff is a problem for every business. Think the damage by that is relatively small though.

    I agree with the rest of your post


    Thanks!

    It just got me thinking, why is it not illegal? I mean obviously the police have bigger problems- like focusing on the heavy pirating itself- but still, how is it ethical to run a business and make your money off of selling what never belonged to you in the first place?
  12. Well that brings us to the whole license and ownership thing.

    You are owner of the cd, not of the music. The RIAA, MPAA rather would like to see it as a license you cant resell. In that spirit they tried DRM and indeed they try to prevent second hand reselling.

    For example some games can only be activated once, or they add some 'extras' that can only be activated once. Same thing with completely other products. Some brands dont give warranty if you are not the first owner, etc.

    Gonna be hard for them to defend the license thingie though. Since according to all procedures (you dont get a license agreement on purchase) you are buying the physical CD.
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