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  1. They were iconic, no doubt about it. Heroes or villains depends more on each one's opinions on them, but iconic for sure.
  2. Originally posted by bartajax:[..]


    Wanna know why a lot of people voted Trump? Or should I say against Clinton? Your last statement. People are sick and tired of always being called a racist just because they aren't agreeing on something that is made to be socially accepted.


    This doesn't make any sense. If people are sick and tired for being called a racist, why would they vote for a candidate who has made remarks considered to be racist by everyone, including his own party, his own campaign, and his own running mate? To me it seems like these people want to double-down on their racism. It's like a racist coming-out party. They figure everyone is going to call them racists anyways, so they might as well go all the way.
  3. For the record, when you see someone speaking a language other than English and you tell them to go back to where they came from, that's not normal. That's racist.
  4. Originally posted by ahn1991:For the record, when you see someone speaking a language other than English and you tell them to go back to where they came from, that's not normal. That's racist.
    No thats called Nationalism. Americans inferring anyone that doesnt speak English is from another country. Again not Racism
  5. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    They were iconic, no doubt about it. Heroes or villains depends more on each one's opinions on them, but iconic for sure.
    You can say the same about Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, etc... it's the same league
  6. Both candidates have said some offensive things. The birther argument is one of the most popular that didnt get started by Trump. It was started by Hillary in 2008 with a picture of Obama in muslim garb. In 1974 she called she called Paul Fray a fucking jew bastard, and in 2005 she said she was "adamantly against illegal immigrants and we need to build a wall on the Mexico border (sound familiar). As the first lady she referred to young black males as "super predators" and "we have to bring them to heel." Looks like the media forgot to report on those.
  7. Originally posted by amansman:[..]
    No thats called Nationalism. Americans inferring anyone that doesnt speak English is from another country. Again not Racism
    No, I'm pretty sure that's racism. Thinking that anyone who doesn't match an exact racial profile doesn't belong in your country is a pretty textbook case of racism.

    Also, you bring up the birther movement that Clinton brought up in 2008, but if you decided to fact check that, you'd realize it was mentioned by Clinton in 2008, but did not originate with her. Also, she quickly dismissed the Birther idea in 2008 while it's 2016 and Trump still thinks Obama is not an American citizen. Everything you are citing about Clinton dates from before 2010. I can give you a laundry list of questionable remarks Trump has made looking at just the past few months.

    But hey, I guess people are willing to believe anything if they believe Trump's claim of massive voter fraud, even though the only legitimate case of voter fraud found ironically involves a Trump supporter attempting to vote twice.
  8. Economic Nationalism isn't Ethno-Nationalism.
    Read.
  9. Originally posted by amansman:[..]
    No thats called Nationalism. Americans inferring anyone that doesnt speak English is from another country. Again not Racism
    so people from England can stay and people from France can't.
    nice point
  10. Originally posted by ahn1991:[..]


    This doesn't make any sense. If people are sick and tired for being called a racist, why would they vote for a candidate who has made remarks considered to be racist by everyone, including his own party, his own campaign, and his own running mate? To me it seems like these people want to double-down on their racism. It's like a racist coming-out party. They figure everyone is going to call them racists anyways, so they might as well go all the way.
    To be clear, I completely agree with your second post.

    But my point is that the so called establishment, the people who are higher up the ''social rank'' are looking down and not just looking down but also kicking down. To be fair, I'm also part of that movement. I also think people who vote for Trump, Le Pen, Wilders etc. are crazy and not willing to see the bigger picture. But maybe they can't see a bigger picture, they are scared of a bigger picture. And I know for sure you aren't gonna take that away by calling them racist every chance you get.

    I've more trust in the so called establishment than in those new kind of politicians, but to be honest they do bring something in politics that is needed. For example here in the Netherlands (where the left is totally different from the US leftside) the left part of the spectrum is, for me, is denying serious problems like multicultural society and integration. While a bat shit idiot like Wilders is able to point out problems, same goes for Trump. They do it on a way that makes me sick, without looking for real solutions, but at least they are willing to see there's a problem.


    That is my second chapter Sorry for the long post guys.
  11. I've heard this argument too, and unfortunately it's left me scratching my head. People say they want somebody who relates to the everyday working American and they choose a multi-billionaire real-estate mogul who hasn't paid a dime in taxes for decades? What?

    No matter how you cut it, they are either looking for a "political outsider" who has zero political experience and is ironically calling upon the establishment to fill his cabinet positions or they are looking for the "average American" dressed up as a billionaire who plasters his name in gold plating on every building he owns. It makes no sense until you realize the majority demographic supporting Trump are white males without college degrees. Then, it makes perfect sense.
  12. Originally posted by ahn1991:[..]
    No, I'm pretty sure that's racism. Thinking that anyone who doesn't match an exact racial profile doesn't belong in your country is a pretty textbook case of racism.

    Also, you bring up the birther movement that Clinton brought up in 2008, but if you decided to fact check that, you'd realize it was mentioned by Clinton in 2008, but did not originate with her. Also, she quickly dismissed the Birther idea in 2008 while it's 2016 and Trump still thinks Obama is not an American citizen. Everything you are citing about Clinton dates from before 2010. I can give you a laundry list of questionable remarks Trump has made looking at just the past few months.

    But hey, I guess people are willing to believe anything if they believe Trump's claim of massive voter fraud, even though the only legitimate case of voter fraud found ironically involves a Trump supporter attempting to vote twice.
    I don't think the time frame for trump or clintons comments make any difference at all....
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