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I remember back in the day, U2RMW did VertVideo. Basically solicitated for funds to cover video of a bunch of Vertigo shows. Problem was of course, certain video sources got flipped on ebay before contributors got their video, and other general shenigians. But its not to say it couldn't be done legitimately.

I dislike the idea of making a "tour" fund. Not all taper rigs are created equal. Not all tapers have high standards of quality and dedication. I would rather chip in funds for a $300 ticket to go to somebody with a proven track record and high quality rig, rather than somebody's first time with a Zoom h1 recorder.

I remember the Def Leppard community actively seeking out known tapers in certain areas and offering to cover their costs in exchange for tape. Oftentimes these were released to the general public after the fact (but not always); regardless, the show was covered in a pro-active manner. Without that effort, 90% of those shows would have been uncovered.

I've HATED when people sell recordings of shows, for profit or even just for cost. But I have less of an issue with funding a taper to capture the show. At the core, you're incurring the same risk the taper does--there's a potential risk the recording will not turn out. Nothing is guaranteed. You're paying and coordinating for the work, not the product.

There are tapers that live in NYC with high end schoeps rigs. I imagine if the group had gotten together in 2015 and paid for tickets of one-two tapers, all of the eight 2015 NYC shows might have been covered with high end gear, instead of the spotty coverage we do have. There's a possibility of the idea to work, but all parameters would need to be presented upfront for participants to make an informed decision, and also some quality networking by the coordinators to seek out interested and qualified tapers.

Just my two cents.

Ramone

6 years

I do not think that makes people stop buying a bootleg with a nice wrapper and that in turn is already here to download, if a bootleg of the concert they gave in your city appears it is very possible that you buy it. I think that in the end the recordings once uploaded, you lose control over them. Is good or bad? I think it's a great publicity for the band that in turn makes it even bigger. And a great site like this contributes to this, to make it bigger, but thanks to the politics of sharing and freedom. Watch out.

hoserama

6 years

Originally posted by Bloodraven:I'm a Larry type in that I start from the "it won't work" point.
Also, I think we're losing focus here... what's the point of doing this again?
to "stop" or at least discourage the bootleg-for-profit market? This won't do it.
to guarantee that every show gets a bootleg?

My rational for doing it would be to ensure more shows are covered with higher quality rigs. That doesn't promise high quality, but its highly correlated. Many shows are uncovered with released sources (this tour seems to have decent coverage so far), so pro-active efforts would help mitigate the missing coverage.

deanallison

6 years

Originally posted by BigGiRL:[..]
Realistically? 300? No... I don't think so.

I think we can find 10 maybe 15 people who are willing to pay $ 40,-
That might bring us 4 to 5 shows.

But the advantage of this little number of people would be that we could make a solid agreement.

Well I’m certainly open to giving it a go, if you’ve got a suggestion with how to move forward with it I’m open to it and would be happy to contribute financially.

hoserama

6 years

As much as I might be pushing it, it's likely too late to put something like this together. You might be able to identify some potential tapers for the European tour, but somebody would have to spearhead it.

hoserama

6 years

Originally posted by Ramone:I do not think that makes people stop buying a bootleg with a nice wrapper and that in turn is already here to download, if a bootleg of the concert they gave in your city appears it is very possible that you buy it. I think that in the end the recordings once uploaded, you lose control over them. Is good or bad? I think it's a great publicity for the band that in turn makes it even bigger. And a great site like this contributes to this, to make it bigger, but thanks to the politics of sharing and freedom. Watch out.

Right, you'll always have folks (I could use several colorful adjectives, but I deleted those) who will want to buy "the package" with spiffy artwork. And well, as long as there's a demand, then there will be folks making those packages. It seems stupid to me, but such is life.

deanallison

6 years

Originally posted by hoserama:[..]

My rational for doing it would be to ensure more shows are covered with higher quality rigs. That doesn't promise high quality, but its highly correlated. Many shows are uncovered with released sources (this tour seems to have decent coverage so far), so pro-active efforts would help mitigate the missing coverage.

Would it be something you would get involved in from the tapers side of things?

hoserama

6 years

I'm likely done for this tour at this point. Most of the (wireless) tapers I know wouldn't want to participate in this. But I do know some AUD tapers that might.

deanallison

6 years

I guess as suggested it’s maybe best to look at the European tour as a place to start it. I think if it’s unrealistic to get a high number of people involved then it’s just a one off really per tour between a group of people, so I guess it’s a case of matching up the tapers who would be interested with the shows that they could do and finding out how many people would pay. There’s 32 shows on the European tour it would have been better if we could have got it all covered but maybe there isn’t the numbers to make it affordable.

hoserama

6 years

Start finding tapers on DIME and such; tapers that wouldn't normally go to U2 shows but are active tapers with good rigs. See if they're interested, and then see how many folks would want to throw in $$.

deanallison

6 years

Originally posted by hoserama:Start finding tapers on DIME and such; tapers that wouldn't normally go to U2 shows but are active tapers with good rigs. See if they're interested, and then see how many folks would want to throw in $$.

Thanks for the advice, that sounds like a good idea as I think it is important for quality that we get experienced tapers involved with as you say good equipment as well.

Ramone

6 years

Forgive my ignorance on this issue but does anyone know if U2 was ever interested in recording a full tour for later sale? as they did Pearl Jam, Depeche Mode, Pixies ...

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