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Originally posted by Yogi[..]

Nothing yet, but I guess that you read/watch news and there probably will be some kind of military action.

Well, seeing the situation there, I'm starting to think there should be.

Also, you should remember that France and the U.K. were the ones pushing for military action in Libya, not the U.S.

Yogi

13 years

Originally posted by Mr_Trek[..]

Well, seeing the situation there, I'm starting to think there should be.

Also, you should remember that France and the U.K. were the ones pushing for military action in Libya, not the U.S.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. France has the most of Libyan blood on its hands, but U.S. also took part in bombings that killed tens of thousands of people. Not to mention countries, it's NATO's bloodshed...

BTW there will be referendum about entering EU on weekend here in Croatia. Any advices? : ))

Mr_Trek

13 years

Cooperate with The Hague on the matter of war criminals like Ante Govina. But you have

I'm sure it's a great deal economically for your country, you'll probably get money from it, unlike the rich countries like mine that lose money by being a member.

wtshnnfb01

13 years

Originally posted by iTim:I don't want to takes sides with the US Military (I assume that's who we're talking about), but in a war situation, where life is unimaginably tough and you've seen comrades fall, you're bound to act a little inhuman towards the enemy when you finally come into contact with them. Of course, conventions, acts and ethics are all there for a reason but in a situation we can't even begin to imagine, all of those must be tested to some extent.

I can sit here and say that urinating on the enemy is wrong but then again, I haven't been to war, fought in a tough environment against a seemingly elusive opponent and lost friends in battle. In the shoes of someone who has been there, I guess it all comes down to the mentality of the soldier. I'm sure they don't sign up to simply humiliate other humans.

+1.

wtshnnfb01

13 years

Watching the extent to which the left plays the race card is sad.

Yogi

13 years

Originally posted by Mr_TrekCooperate with The Hague on the matter of war criminals like Ante Govina. But you have

I'm sure it's a great deal economically for your country, you'll probably get money from it, unlike the rich countries like mine that lose money by being a member.

I meant to ask how should I vote on referendum because I'm getting very skeptical about the whole situation in EU. And Croatia is still to weak economically ...

Ante Gotovina is there for years already, and he in fact might be released. IMO; he didn't commit any crimes, he's just there because our first president Tuđman is dead and therefore cannot be judged.

Mr_Trek

13 years

Originally posted by Yogi[..]

I meant to ask how should I vote on referendum because I'm getting very skeptical about the whole situation in EU. And Croatia is still to weak economically ...

Ante Gotovina is there for years already, and he in fact might be released. IMO; he didn't commit any crimes, he's just there because our first president Tuđman is dead and therefore cannot be judged.

Well, when I looked Ante Gotovina up, it sure sounded like he's a war criminal. Like Ratko Mladić and Radovan Karadžić.

That war was an ugly, ugly war.

Guenther

13 years

Originally posted by Yogi:[..]

How was he right? US army went to Iran to search for weapons of mass destruction. There were no weapons of mass destruction. USA also claimed that Saddam was linked to Al'Qaeda. They were not. But anyway, 110.000 civilians are now dead. How the fuck was he right?

The new president always learns things that the old president knew. Why do you think Obama made so many promises he didnt keep? Namely closing Gitmo in his first 100 days and pulling the troops out immediately. He didnt do either one cuz he learned some details he didnt know before.

iTim

13 years

Originally posted by Guenther[..]

The new president always learns things that the old president knew. Why do you think Obama made so many promises he didnt keep? Namely closing Gitmo in his first 100 days and pulling the troops out immediately. He didnt do either one cuz he learned some details he didnt know before.

It's easy to say that you're going to do one thing (mainly to please the voters) but if something complicates that process once you're in office, it's going to be hard to deliver.

Yogi

13 years

Originally posted by Mr_Trek[..]

Well, when I looked Ante Gotovina up, it sure sounded like he's a war criminal. Like Ratko Mladić and Radovan Karadžić.

That war was an ugly, ugly war.

Yeah, it was ugly, very ugly. Serbian agressors commited many crimes, but so did Croatians while defending themselves. Even UN did some very nasty things in that war. The story of Ante Gotovina is very complicated, but I'll try to do it in few sentances. The thing is, he's charged guilty for crimes that were done on territory few days after he left with his troops. You, know, Croatians freed very large territories but then left them unsecured so all kinds of mercenaries appeared and started to burn villages, kill people and rob them and so on.

When war was over in 90-ties people from Hague came to investigate and wanted to talk to many Croatian generals, but president Tuđman didn't let them to, because, you know, „we won, we don't need this shit from Hague“.

When he was caught many years later and trial began, a lot of documents about war already disappeared from government's vault. And that made things even more difficult.

Now he's waiting for his final judgement. Even som law experts from USA now claim that they can prove that he's innocent. We'll see what will happen with that case.

Mr_Trek

13 years

Well, let's see. Others would say he was in charge of an operation that committed many war crimes.

wtshnnfb01

13 years

That whole war overall was one of the darkest in recent history.

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