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  1. Originally posted by yeah:People really think that they have the right to get everything. No matter if it's bootlegs, official releases, concert tix,... it's that gimme gimme mentality that is a major problem.


    I couldn't have said it better, THAT is what is. And, if you add the Free-word-catharsis to that, as McGuiness says, you have the whole problem wrapped in two sentences.


    The fucking bad side is that no one has the power to change that; it's a social mentality that has been acquired in the last 25-20 years. It's like racism or male-chauvinism (is that the word? I mean the attitude of believing men are above women), they both used to be stuck on the society and they're not anymore. I don't know, this problem is too big, and is expanding too quick, to be solved soon. And the worst part is that no one seems to have the right methods to make it change!!
  2. If nobody bought that Super Deluxe they wouldnt sell it. No I dont buy the Super Deluxe but i have all albums I like on cd.

    I wouldnt have been a u2 fan if i never downloaded bootlegs ( illegal according the tix) and music. But they sure are making profit of me now and that is their right.

    Ofcourse downloading is not fair. But they can bitch about it what they want, you cant criminalise the whole internet generation. Businesses having hard time with the new age, you can try to survive by force or use creativity.

    Also there is still no proof at all that piracy costs money. ZERO proof.
  3. I truly dislike this man.
  4. Originally posted by drewhiggins:[..]
    Supply doesn't have to meet anything for music. Considering just how less records and downloads are being sold, the supply can be less. But, if it's priced at a moderate price - and the ''It's taken too long to record, it's gotta cost more'' is crap because if you take longer the songs sound outdated and nobody who might casually pass it by wants them - at a moderate price, maybe more supply would be ideal.


    I'm just saying you cant sell something if there is no demand for it. Fair or not, you gotta do something about it.
  5. Originally posted by Risto:If nobody bought that Super Deluxe they wouldnt sell it. No I dont buy the Super Deluxe but i have all albums I like on cd.

    I wouldnt have been a u2 fan if i never downloaded bootlegs ( illegal according the tix) and music. But they sure are making profit of me now and that is their right.

    Ofcourse downloading is not fair. But they can bitch about it what they want, you cant criminalise the whole internet generation. Businesses having hard time with the new age, you can try to survive by force or use creativity.

    Also there is still no proof at all that piracy costs money. ZERO proof.



    Well 95% of all downloaded music obtained illegally might lead you to generalize. I'll agree that he is thinking the wrong way when he raises the question why people want more bandwidth (this is the point where bootlegs come in the game - but boots are a totally different subject)

    And I think it's clear that they lose money from it.

  6. Campaigns against piracy cost money. Police investigations cost money. Social education-against-piracy plans cost money. Of course, most of the people who download an album won't buy it anyway, so it is money lost for the artist... although there are no proofs, you know it as well as I do. Everyone knows. If you want real proofs just stick to the things above, that things are neccesary, and cost money.
  7. I doubt U2 as a band lost money by it. Also I doubt that there are less capable artists because of piracy.

    We all know that downloading movies is supposed to drain profits. But every year i read the cinema's are better visited. The prices going up every year and more people go. EVEN during the recession.

    Also they use piracy as well. Everything is leaked nowadays. Even DIGITAL copies, copies NO RESELLER has to have before launch.
  8. Originally posted by LikeASong:[..]
    Campaigns against piracy cost money. Police investigations cost money. Social education-against-piracy plans cost money. Of course, most of the people who download an album won't buy it anyway, so it is money lost for the artist... although there are no proofs, you know it as well as I do. Everyone knows. If you want real proofs just stick to the things above, that things are neccesary, and cost money.


    So proper research cost money so skip it? It has been researched by multiple organisations. There is no clear answer.

    I started listening to MUSE two weeks ago using downloads (still legal in Holland ) and now i have ordered the first album. Never would have done that without listening to it first.

    Also, copyright owners get money up to 70 years after their death in most countries. Try that as a ordinary person.
  9. THAT is another problem, Chris. 10 or 15 years ago, a friend told you "I've heard a great album by a band called XX, check it out" and you went and bought it... you could like or not, but you probably had bought it, you had made some effort.

    That is gone now. People (and even worse, a very small amount of people) only buys an album after hearing it. That's crazy.
  10. Sure, now I heard here on U2start that Muse was decent and I bought it

    You take a testdrive with a car as well. You can fit your clothing, walk around with it two weeks and bring it back.
  11. Originally posted by Risto:[..]

    I started listening to MUSE two weeks ago using downloads (still legal in Holland ) and now i have ordered the first album. Never would have done that without listening to it first.


    Yep, that's more or less like going into a shop and listening to the album - one of the advantages of the internet - but how many people keep the files but don't go and buy it (digital or the physical album) after they listened to it and liked it?

    Just do a poll about how many people here have bought every U2 album they own...


  12. Together with a poll with how many they would have bought without listening first?

    Also people not buying stuff would be so greedy that they wouldnt buy it without listening anyway.
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